Kerry is a pilot?

How come it's not an issue in 1992 and 1996 election.......Clinton was a
real dodger........

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"R.Hubbell" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:26:51 -0800 "Tarver Engineering"
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"R.Hubbell" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:32:15 -0800 "Tarver Engineering"

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"Pilot Bob" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
news Not everyone. Not my a long shot. While he did seem to shirk
some
responsibilities, the record is not quite clear on exactly
what
happened.
However, he *was* a youngun. I might have done a stupid thing
or
twenty in
my younger years, too.

It is impossible to be AWOL from the National Guard, as drill
attendance was
optional.

Call it whatever you want. The fact is that, using his father's
connections,
he got placed in the National Guard to avoid the Vietnam draft and
even then
did not have the balls to meet his commitment.

There were open slots in the ANG in Texas, for anyone elidgeable.
When
GW's

Eligible in that case meant you better be an quarterback or the son of
a
rich man. Not just anyone got those slots. Everyone knew that then.
It's not been forgotten by a lot of people who had loved ones that
died
serving their country. I won't forget either.

Anyone that wanted to join the Texas ANG could, excluding felons and the
children of Kluxers. In fact, most of the draft dodgers of the day
could
have joined the Guard just by relocating to a State with open slots.

F-102 unit changed over to a new airplane, there was no way they
were
going
to pay to retrain a short timer. GW's job would have been to sit at
a
desk
doing nothing.

Well at least you acknowledge that he decided he wasn't going to serve
his
country
because he got a boring desk job. Any way you slice it he did not
fulfill
his
responsibilities to his country. That's not someone I respect.

Sure he did, but Dean dodged the draft.




And look where it got him.


R. Hubbell

In article YlZTb.171622$5V2.871493@attbi_s53, "old man"
writes:


How come it's not an issue in 1992 and 1996 election.......Clinton was a
real dodger........


Bush's service record is only an issue for those who do not remember the
context.

Vietnam was winding down, the Air Force, like the rest of the military, was in
a Reduction In Force. The F-102 was dangerous and expensive to maintain
compared to more modern fighters and was being phased out of the ANG as the
more modern aircraft became available to reserve units. At the same time,
flying billets were getting scarce even for career Air Force as they were RIFed
down to reserves.

Part timers like Bush were NOT going to be retrained for the more modern
fighters when there were already trained pilots being pushed out of the AF to
the reserves. The Texas ANG was done with Bush and they really didn't care if
he came to meetings or not.

I graduated from dental school the next year, in 1974. I was in the Doctor's
Draft, and was supposed to go to the Army for 2 years on graduation. Many of my
classmates were in ROTC and were obligated for 6 years because their education
had been paid for by the military. None of us went because the military no
longer needed as many dentists. Dentists who wanted to stay in were getting
RIFed out.

At that time, the National Guard and reserve units were being used more as a
transition from active duty to civilian life for career servicemen trying to
hang in long enough for their pensions, and those who were not going to make it
to retirement were pushed out to save space for those who needed the billets.

So, in the context of the times, there is nothing out of the ordinary or in any
way privleged in Bush's record. Rather, had he been retrained for the
replacement aircraft while officers already trained in them were getting RIFed
out, that would have been a sign of influence in action.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

Cut the political bull crap!!!!

Where does he stand on GA?????







"Wdtabor" wrote in message
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In article YlZTb.171622$5V2.871493@attbi_s53, "old man"
writes:


How come it's not an issue in 1992 and 1996 election.......Clinton was a
real dodger........


Bush's service record is only an issue for those who do not remember the
context.

Vietnam was winding down, the Air Force, like the rest of the military,
was in
a Reduction In Force. The F-102 was dangerous and expensive to maintain
compared to more modern fighters and was being phased out of the ANG as
the
more modern aircraft became available to reserve units. At the same time,
flying billets were getting scarce even for career Air Force as they were
RIFed
down to reserves.

Part timers like Bush were NOT going to be retrained for the more modern
fighters when there were already trained pilots being pushed out of the AF
to
the reserves. The Texas ANG was done with Bush and they really didn't care
if
he came to meetings or not.

I graduated from dental school the next year, in 1974. I was in the
Doctor's
Draft, and was supposed to go to the Army for 2 years on graduation. Many
of my
classmates were in ROTC and were obligated for 6 years because their
education
had been paid for by the military. None of us went because the military no
longer needed as many dentists. Dentists who wanted to stay in were
getting
RIFed out.

At that time, the National Guard and reserve units were being used more as
a
transition from active duty to civilian life for career servicemen trying
to
hang in long enough for their pensions, and those who were not going to
make it
to retirement were pushed out to save space for those who needed the
billets.

So, in the context of the times, there is nothing out of the ordinary or
in any
way privleged in Bush's record. Rather, had he been retrained for the
replacement aircraft while officers already trained in them were getting
RIFed
out, that would have been a sign of influence in action.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

"Mark S Conway" wrote in message
news:YryVb.252690$xy6.1316755@attbi_s02...
Cut the political bull crap!!!!

Where does he stand on GA?????

He'll make the "flights take off and land on time".

In article ,
"Tom Sixkiller" wrote:

"Mark S Conway" wrote in message
news:YryVb.252690$xy6.1316755@attbi_s02...
Cut the political bull crap!!!!

Where does he stand on GA?????

He'll make the "flights take off and land on time".




The problem is: I have known a few pilots, in similar economic status as
Kerry, who really do not share my attitude towards public airports and
GA access/pilots' rights.

It is very important to know Sen. Kerry's position and record on such
issues as:

Conversion of military airports to public use

"Security" regulations/practices

GA access to metropolitan areas.

Equal treatment at US Customs

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
It is very important to know Sen. Kerry's position and record on such
issues as:

Conversion of military airports to public use

"Security" regulations/practices

GA access to metropolitan areas.

Equal treatment at US Customs

Simple determination: How big is your voting block, and when can my office
expect your check?

In article , "Tom Sixkiller"
writes:


"Mark S Conway" wrote in message
news:YryVb.252690$xy6.1316755@attbi_s02...
Cut the political bull crap!!!!

Where does he stand on GA?????

He'll make the "flights take off and land on time".


Anyone who can afford to fly a private plane isn't paying enough taxes.

What difference does it make if he says the right things about aviation if the
rest of his policies will make it unaffordable for anyone not married to old
money?

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG