Karma catches up to Mayor Daley

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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| "C J Campbell" wrote in message
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| Kennedy won by fewer votes than were garnered from obvious voter fraud
in
| Texas alone. He maintained numerous organized contacts. Johnson, perhaps
| the
| most qualified President we have had in the last century, was also
perhaps
| the most ruthless.
|
| What do you consider "qualified"? Johnson was far and away the most
corrupt
| president in recent memory, and probably any other in this century. His
| corruption went back before he was even in politics. Barr McClellan makes
a
| good case that Johnson was heavily involved in the JFK assassination.
LBJ's
| history would make mafia dons blush.

Johnson was corrupt, no doubt about it. He probably should have gone to
prison for tax evasion and bribery with the Brown & Root case in 1944. Only
the direct intervention of FDR stopped it. Then there was Bobby Baker. That
was such a liability that Kennedy considered dropping LBJ from the ticket
for reelection. However, the Senate investigative committee had six
Democrats and three Republicans. It voted solidly on party lines to drop the
investigation of LBJ. LBJ had Clark Clifford and Abe Fortas organize the
cover-up -- both of these men were later involved in scandals of their own.
Senator John Williams was subjected to a dirty tricks campaign. In spite of
all this, Baker was indicted in 1967 and actually went to prison for
seventeen months. LBJ, of course, avoided exposure completely as Senators
Ervin, Tallmadge, and Inouye stopped any further Senate investigation. Of
course, all three of these Senators later led the charge against Nixon.

Johnson bragged that he had sex with a secretary on the desk of the Oval
Office. His sexual appetite was enormous.

The reason Johnson kept Hoover on as head of the FBI was because "it is
better to have him inside the tent ****ing out instead of outside ****ing
in."

Nevertheless, Johnson had a long career in public service dating back to
1931. He was elected to Congress in 1937, served in WW II as a
lieutenant-commander from 1941-42. He was elected to the Senate in 1948,
Democratic whip in 1951, minority leader in 1953, and majority leader from
1955-61. He then was elected vice president. He had a thorough grounding in
Texas politics and extensive experience in both the legislative and
executive branches. No President before or since has been so successful in
achieving his legislative agenda. He radically changed the role of the
Federal government, perhaps permanently. Much of his Great Society program
continues today. Whether you think these changes were beneficial or not, he
was certainly effective in getting them implemented.

It would be interesting to find some Republican examples of this.

Yeah, to be perfectly fair, I can't think of any. There are some areas
where Republicans hold a similar dominance. These dynasties typically
haven't been running for as long as the Democrats have enjoyed their
uninterupted reigns. But that's only because the Democrats tend to be
firmly entrenched in older, eastern cities while the Republicans dominate in
younger, western ones. My real point, I guess, is that without any
competitions, local parties change into something that doesn't really match
up with national perception of the party. Even right wingers join the
Democratic party here and in cities like Chicago, because that's the only
way to vote in the "real" election -- the primary races for who wins the
Democratic nomination. The general election in November is just for show.
The real issues and decisions get made during the May primaries.

As a result, things get all mixed up. We actually have a few Democrats here
who occasionally argue (unsucessfully) against their more traditional
brethren for tax cuts, or all things. Boy, did that take some getting used
to when we first moved into town. It was like watching water flow uphill!

"Geoffrey Barnes" wrote in message
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It would be interesting to find some Republican examples of this.

Yeah, to be perfectly fair, I can't think of any. There are some areas
where Republicans hold a similar dominance. These dynasties typically
haven't been running for as long as the Democrats have enjoyed their
uninterupted reigns. But that's only because the Democrats tend to be
firmly entrenched in older, eastern cities while the Republicans dominate
in
younger, western ones. My real point, I guess, is that without any
competitions, local parties change into something that doesn't really
match
up with national perception of the party. Even right wingers join the
Democratic party here and in cities like Chicago, because that's the only
way to vote in the "real" election -- the primary races for who wins the
Democratic nomination. The general election in November is just for show.
The real issues and decisions get made during the May primaries.

Nixon's vote corruption in southern Illinois was nearly as bad as Daley's in
Chicago, but that was 44 years ago.

As a result, things get all mixed up. We actually have a few Democrats
here
who occasionally argue (unsucessfully) against their more traditional
brethren for tax cuts, or all things. Boy, did that take some getting
used
to when we first moved into town. It was like watching water flow uphill!

Tort reform is on the way, in the form of DERs that are PEs.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...
|
| "C J Campbell" wrote in message
| ...
| Kennedy won by fewer votes than were garnered from obvious voter fraud
in
| Texas alone. He maintained numerous organized contacts. Johnson,
perhaps
| the
| most qualified President we have had in the last century, was also
perhaps
| the most ruthless.
|
| What do you consider "qualified"? Johnson was far and away the most
corrupt
| president in recent memory, and probably any other in this century. His
| corruption went back before he was even in politics. Barr McClellan
makes
a
| good case that Johnson was heavily involved in the JFK assassination.
LBJ's
| history would make mafia dons blush.

Johnson was corrupt, no doubt about it. He probably should have gone to
prison for tax evasion and bribery with the Brown & Root case in 1944.
Only
the direct intervention of FDR stopped it. Then there was Bobby Baker.
That
was such a liability that Kennedy considered dropping LBJ from the ticket
for reelection. However, the Senate investigative committee had six
Democrats and three Republicans. It voted solidly on party lines to drop
the
investigation of LBJ. LBJ had Clark Clifford and Abe Fortas organize the
cover-up -- both of these men were later involved in scandals of their
own.
Senator John Williams was subjected to a dirty tricks campaign. In spite
of
all this, Baker was indicted in 1967 and actually went to prison for
seventeen months. LBJ, of course, avoided exposure completely as Senators
Ervin, Tallmadge, and Inouye stopped any further Senate investigation. Of
course, all three of these Senators later led the charge against Nixon.

Johnson bragged that he had sex with a secretary on the desk of the Oval
Office. His sexual appetite was enormous.

The reason Johnson kept Hoover on as head of the FBI was because "it is
better to have him inside the tent ****ing out instead of outside ****ing
in."

It is said that Ross Perot got Hoover's records when he died. I suspect
they were helpfut to his '96 run for office. Of course, LBJ made Perot rich
with Medicare paperwork.

Nevertheless, Johnson had a long career in public service dating back to
1931. He was elected to Congress in 1937, served in WW II as a
lieutenant-commander from 1941-42. He was elected to the Senate in 1948,
Democratic whip in 1951, minority leader in 1953, and majority leader from
1955-61. He then was elected vice president. He had a thorough grounding
in
Texas politics and extensive experience in both the legislative and
executive branches. No President before or since has been so successful in
achieving his legislative agenda. He radically changed the role of the
Federal government, perhaps permanently. Much of his Great Society program
continues today. Whether you think these changes were beneficial or not,
he
was certainly effective in getting them implemented.

LBJ could govern.

In article , Tom Sixkiller
wrote:

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...
Kennedy won by fewer votes than were garnered from obvious voter fraud in
Texas alone. He maintained numerous organized contacts. Johnson, perhaps
the
most qualified President we have had in the last century, was also perhaps
the most ruthless.

What do you consider "qualified"? Johnson was far and away the most corrupt
president in recent memory, and probably any other in this century. His
corruption went back before he was even in politics. Barr McClellan makes a
good case that Johnson was heavily involved in the JFK assassination. LBJ's
history would make mafia dons blush.

Johnson was the President who first brought in Brown and Root (now a
Haliburton subsidiary) with various contracts in Viet Nam. Brown was a
small Texas construction company whose campaign contributions went to
Johnson.

In article ,
Tarver Engineering wrote:
Come on, Mr Tarver!!! I'm a Rep, but I think Trent Lott is proof of only
two
things: A) some people stay really, really, stupid no matter how much
experience they have; and B) hair spray works.

Juat saying something as stupid as Lott did will get you out of the Senate
Majority Leader's Office.

When Byrd said something stupid, it was not a problem.

Byrd has said a LOT of stupid things and people (most people) let it
slide. When a rep says something stupid about race it's normally front
page news. I think both parties are fairly corrput but the dems seem to
get away with more stuff. Mostly because they are more 'well liked' by
the media and people that normally complain about such things, IMHO

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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|
| "C J Campbell" wrote in message
| ...
| Kennedy won by fewer votes than were garnered from obvious voter fraud
in
| Texas alone. He maintained numerous organized contacts. Johnson, perhaps
| the
| most qualified President we have had in the last century, was also
perhaps
| the most ruthless.
|
| What do you consider "qualified"? Johnson was far and away the most
corrupt
| president in recent memory, and probably any other in this century. His
| corruption went back before he was even in politics. Barr McClellan makes
a
| good case that Johnson was heavily involved in the JFK assassination.
LBJ's
| history would make mafia dons blush.

Despite Johnson's corruption, I doubt if anyone but Lee Harvey Oswald had
anything to do with Kennedy's assassination. If you listen to all the
conspiracy theories, it is hard to believe that there was anyone in Dallas
on that day who didn't want to kill Kennedy. Mafia gunmen on the grassy
knoll, CIA snipers on the overpass, Cubans in the sewers, Johnson hitmen
everywhere -- indeed, you begin to wonder if there was anybody who was not
in Dallas on that day. And they all wanted to kill Kennedy or, in the more
bizarre theories, Connelly or Jackie.

Oswald was disaffected, had threatened to assassinate other people, left his
palm print on the rifle that killed Kennedy, and was a loner. He didn't need
anyone else to tell him to shoot Kennedy.

On 2004-02-08, EDR wrote:
In article , Tom Sixkiller
wrote:

Johnson was the President who first brought in Brown and Root (now a
Haliburton subsidiary) with various contracts in Viet Nam. Brown was a
small Texas construction company whose campaign contributions went to
Johnson.

The Johnson family still has a larger piece of Haliburton than Cheny ever
hoped to have.

On 2004-02-08, John Gaquin wrote:

"Doug Carter" wrote in message

Robert "Sheets" Byrd (Tip O'Neil's characterization, not mine)
should get at least first runner up for playing a Confederate General in
"Gods and Generals."

Seriously? I saw that film, but didn't notice.

Yeah.. The "official" Gods and Generals pulled his picture from their
web site but its all over the web. He was on the set, in costume for
his 84th birthday; had a party with other (D) congress-persons singing.

He made a speech about the experience on the floor, drawing some kind of
analogy between the civil war and 9/11 that I didn't quite follow...

"EDR" wrote in message
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In article , Tom Sixkiller
wrote:

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...
Kennedy won by fewer votes than were garnered from obvious voter fraud
in
Texas alone. He maintained numerous organized contacts. Johnson,
perhaps
the
most qualified President we have had in the last century, was also
perhaps
the most ruthless.

What do you consider "qualified"? Johnson was far and away the most
corrupt
president in recent memory, and probably any other in this century. His
corruption went back before he was even in politics. Barr McClellan
makes a
good case that Johnson was heavily involved in the JFK assassination.
LBJ's
history would make mafia dons blush.

Johnson was the President who first brought in Brown and Root (now a
Haliburton subsidiary) with various contracts in Viet Nam. Brown was a
small Texas construction company whose campaign contributions went to
Johnson.

Brown and Root was owned by Lady Bird.