Kerry -- WAY WAY OFF THREAD BUT INTERESTING.

"Big John" wrote in message
...
My apologies to all who feel put upon.

There have been numerous 'off thread' postings on
rec.aviation.piloting concerning Kerry and I felt this might level
the playing field a little?

Your scorekeeping is faulty, John. Virtually all the off-topic pro-Kerry
comments here were made to level the field in response to off-topic
anti-Kerry comments.

As for balance, though, allow me to briefly counter the sex-scandal hoax
that you and others have been foisting on this group. From today's NYT:

---
Also today, the woman at the center of a charge, posted last week on the Web
site of the Internet gossip columnist Matt Drudge, that Mr. Kerry had had an
extramarital affair with her, came forward to deny the rumors. Mr. Kerry had
also denied the charge last week.
In a statement released by the woman, Alexandra Polier, and circulated by
The Associated Press, she called the charge "lies."

"Because these stories were false, I assumed the media would ignore them,"
she said. "It seems that efforts to peddle these lies continue, so I feel
compelled to address them. I have never had a relationship with Senator
Kerry, and the rumors in the press are completely false. Whoever is
spreading these rumors and allegations does not know me, but should know the
pain they have caused me and my family." She said she was in Kenya today
with her fiancé visiting his family.

---

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
news:EmaYb.45782$_44.43486@attbi_s52...
"Big John" wrote in message
...
My apologies to all who feel put upon.

There have been numerous 'off thread' postings on
rec.aviation.piloting concerning Kerry and I felt this might level
the playing field a little?

Your scorekeeping is faulty, John. Virtually all the off-topic pro-Kerry
comments here were made to level the field in response to off-topic
anti-Kerry comments.

The Bush bashing began in a thread celebrating John Kerry being a small GA
pilot. That thread was on topic briefly.

Gary

Did you get this from Drudge? Seems to be word for word what I read
there today?

If you saw it on Drudge then he must be posting both sides of this cat
fight and not just the 'right' as has been alleged.

Big John

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:12:04 GMT, "Gary Drescher"
wrote:

"Big John" wrote in message
.. .
My apologies to all who feel put upon.

There have been numerous 'off thread' postings on
rec.aviation.piloting concerning Kerry and I felt this might level
the playing field a little?

Your scorekeeping is faulty, John. Virtually all the off-topic pro-Kerry
comments here were made to level the field in response to off-topic
anti-Kerry comments.

As for balance, though, allow me to briefly counter the sex-scandal hoax
that you and others have been foisting on this group. From today's NYT:

---
Also today, the woman at the center of a charge, posted last week on the Web
site of the Internet gossip columnist Matt Drudge, that Mr. Kerry had had an
extramarital affair with her, came forward to deny the rumors. Mr. Kerry had
also denied the charge last week.
In a statement released by the woman, Alexandra Polier, and circulated by
The Associated Press, she called the charge "lies."

"Because these stories were false, I assumed the media would ignore them,"
she said. "It seems that efforts to peddle these lies continue, so I feel
compelled to address them. I have never had a relationship with Senator
Kerry, and the rumors in the press are completely false. Whoever is
spreading these rumors and allegations does not know me, but should know the
pain they have caused me and my family." She said she was in Kenya today
with her fiancé visiting his family.

---

"Big John" wrote in message
...
Gary

Did you get this from Drudge? Seems to be word for word what I read
there today?

No, as I said, it's from the NYT (New York Times). And as the excerpt
notes, Ms. Polier's statement was circulated by the AP (Associated Press),
so it's appeared almost everywhere.

If you saw it on Drudge then he must be posting both sides of this cat
fight and not just the 'right' as has been alleged.

No, that's not what's alleged of Drudge. What's alleged--and amply
demonstrated--is that he spreads right-wing gossip and rumors before ongoing
responsible investigations have found any credible substantiation.
Occasionally, the rumors turn out to be true, and Drudge's irresponsibility
then gives him a brief "scoop" over journalists who wait a few days longer
for the facts to be available. More often, as in this instance, the rumors
are bogus. But of course Drudge joins everyone else in airing the facts
when they do become available. What would he gain from omitting information
that his readers have already learned anyway?

The mainstream press is just as eager as Drudge to milk a salacious scandal.
The difference is that they at least wait until they've found some evidence.

--Gary

Big John

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:12:04 GMT, "Gary Drescher"
wrote:

"Big John" wrote in message
.. .
My apologies to all who feel put upon.

There have been numerous 'off thread' postings on
rec.aviation.piloting concerning Kerry and I felt this might level
the playing field a little?

Your scorekeeping is faulty, John. Virtually all the off-topic pro-Kerry
comments here were made to level the field in response to off-topic
anti-Kerry comments.

As for balance, though, allow me to briefly counter the sex-scandal hoax
that you and others have been foisting on this group. From today's NYT:

---
Also today, the woman at the center of a charge, posted last week on the
Web
site of the Internet gossip columnist Matt Drudge, that Mr. Kerry had had
an
extramarital affair with her, came forward to deny the rumors. Mr. Kerry
had
also denied the charge last week.
In a statement released by the woman, Alexandra Polier, and circulated by
The Associated Press, she called the charge "lies."

"Because these stories were false, I assumed the media would ignore
them,"
she said. "It seems that efforts to peddle these lies continue, so I feel
compelled to address them. I have never had a relationship with Senator
Kerry, and the rumors in the press are completely false. Whoever is
spreading these rumors and allegations does not know me, but should know
the
pain they have caused me and my family." She said she was in Kenya today
with her fiancé visiting his family.

---

"Big John" wrote



What I find fascinating is to look at the quotes attributed to Ms Polier's
father as time has passed:
********************
Mr. Polier 2/14
"I think he's a sleazeball. I did kind of wonder if my daughter didn't get
that kind of feeling herself. He's not the sort of guy I would choose to be
with my daughter."

Mr. Polier 2/16
"We have spoken to our daughter and the allegations that have been made
regarding her are completely false and unsubstantiated...We appreciate the
way Senator Kerry has handled the situation, and intend on voting for him
for president of the United States."
***************************


What happened between Saturday and Monday??

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Big John" wrote
What I find fascinating is to look at the quotes attributed to Ms Polier's
father as time has passed:
********************
Mr. Polier 2/14
"I think he's a sleazeball. I did kind of wonder if my daughter didn't get
that kind of feeling herself. He's not the sort of guy I would choose to
be
with my daughter."

Mr. Polier 2/16
"We have spoken to our daughter and the allegations that have been made
regarding her are completely false and unsubstantiated...We appreciate the
way Senator Kerry has handled the situation, and intend on voting for him
for president of the United States."
***************************


What happened between Saturday and Monday??

What happened was a gross public distortion of the parents' remarks, to the
detriment of their daughter and to Kerry, which the parents presumably
regretted. But there's no inconsistency between the two statements. Lots
of voters consider all mainstream politicians to be sleazeballs, but will
still vote for the best of the lot.

The parents in fact denied any affair from the outset. They did say that
Kerry invited Ms. Polier *to join his campaign*, and the sleazier tabloids
quoted snippets out of context to make it sound like the parents had
knowledge of some sexual proposition. The trickery was obvious upon careful
reading, but the tabloids are (to put it charitably) not aimed at careful
readers.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message

.....The trickery was obvious upon careful
reading,

Careful..... your pomposity is showing!

[again]

John

Do you think someone 'got' to him????

Remember, Mary Jo's family settled for a few hundred thousands and
........................??

Big John


On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:34:32 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:


"Big John" wrote



What I find fascinating is to look at the quotes attributed to Ms Polier's
father as time has passed:
********************
Mr. Polier 2/14
"I think he's a sleazeball. I did kind of wonder if my daughter didn't get
that kind of feeling herself. He's not the sort of guy I would choose to be
with my daughter."

Mr. Polier 2/16
"We have spoken to our daughter and the allegations that have been made
regarding her are completely false and unsubstantiated...We appreciate the
way Senator Kerry has handled the situation, and intend on voting for him
for president of the United States."
***************************


What happened between Saturday and Monday??

"Big John" wrote in message
news
John

Do you think someone 'got' to him????

Maybe it was Gary Condit?


Remember, Mary Jo's family settled for a few hundred thousands and
.......................??

Big John


On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:34:32 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:


"Big John" wrote



What I find fascinating is to look at the quotes attributed to Ms
Polier's
father as time has passed:
********************
Mr. Polier 2/14
"I think he's a sleazeball. I did kind of wonder if my daughter didn't
get
that kind of feeling herself. He's not the sort of guy I would choose to
be
with my daughter."

Mr. Polier 2/16
"We have spoken to our daughter and the allegations that have been made
regarding her are completely false and unsubstantiated...We appreciate
the
way Senator Kerry has handled the situation, and intend on voting for him
for president of the United States."
***************************


What happened between Saturday and Monday??

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Big John" wrote in message
news
John

Do you think someone 'got' to him????

Maybe it was Gary Condit?

Or some of Condit's Hells Angel friends.

Remember, Mary Jo's family settled for a few hundred thousands and
.......................??

Big John


On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:34:32 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:


"Big John" wrote



What I find fascinating is to look at the quotes attributed to Ms
Polier's
father as time has passed:
********************
Mr. Polier 2/14
"I think he's a sleazeball. I did kind of wonder if my daughter didn't
get
that kind of feeling herself. He's not the sort of guy I would choose
to
be
with my daughter."

Mr. Polier 2/16
"We have spoken to our daughter and the allegations that have been made
regarding her are completely false and unsubstantiated...We appreciate
the
way Senator Kerry has handled the situation, and intend on voting for
him
for president of the United States."
***************************


What happened between Saturday and Monday??