Kerry's coming to OSH

Jay Honeck wrote:

He was interviewed yesterday in currently-frozen OSH, saying that he was
working hard to arrange for his campaign to be there during the fly-in.

About the worst thing Bush could do to Kerry at that point would be to set it
up so that Kerry gets TFRs while he's campaigning.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

I was wondering at what point secret service kicked in for potential
candidates.. wouldnt that be the epitome of irony...

A no fly zone at Osh.. just like the no fly zone at FFA...

Dave

G.R. Patterson III wrote:

Jay Honeck wrote:

He was interviewed yesterday in currently-frozen OSH, saying that he was
working hard to arrange for his campaign to be there during the fly-in.


About the worst thing Bush could do to Kerry at that point would be to set it
up so that Kerry gets TFRs while he's campaigning.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

"Dave S" wrote in message
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I was wondering at what point secret service kicked in for potential
candidates.. wouldnt that be the epitome of irony...


The Secret Service sends details to each of the likely candidates' homes and
moves in on the nominee the moment the vote is cast, setting up guards and
installing security devices. The nominee is likely to be at the convention,
so he will be surrounded by the SS detail already on station there. The
nominee will not be able to take one step toward the podium to make his
acceptance speech without his bodyguards. The TFR will already be in place
around the convention center and will have been there since before the start
of the convention.

There seems to be this huge misunderstanding that Presidents or candidates
cannot visit airshows without shutting the place down. In fact, they do go
to these events and the Secret Service negotiates security precautions with
the FAA. OSH might be tricky, though. Many aircraft going to OSH are
actually landing at nearby fields. A lot of them have no transponder or
radio, or even any electrical system of any kind. If Kerry or Bush were to
attend an event of this nature it would be over the most vehement objections
of the Secret Service.

If the SS had its way, candidates would only be allowed to campaign from
secure rooms via television feeds with no reporters or anyone else present.
The President would spend his entire career in a sealed box. The Mall and
Capitol Hill would become like Beijing's Forbidden City, with only security
and absolutely essential personnel allowed on the grounds. The Secret
Service understands that this is never going to happen, so they constantly
are negotiating their need for security against the President's need to meet
the public.

Although I voted for him, I have to say that Harry Browne is an idiot. He
believes that the Secret Service is unnecessary and that there would be no
terrorist attacks if the US did not interfere in other countries' affairs.
If government were smaller and less powerful, he believes, then the
President would not be a target for assassins. This is demonstrably stupid.
The government was much smaller and less powerful than what even Browne
advocates when Lincoln was assassinated. I somehow suspect that the United
States would have its foreign enemies no matter what it did.

C J Campbell opined

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Although I voted for him, I have to say that Harry Browne is an idiot. He
believes that the Secret Service is unnecessary and that there would be no
terrorist attacks if the US did not interfere in other countries' affairs.
If government were smaller and less powerful, he believes, then the
President would not be a target for assassins. This is demonstrably stupid.
The government was much smaller and less powerful than what even Browne
advocates when Lincoln was assassinated. I somehow suspect that the United
States would have its foreign enemies no matter what it did.

Lincoln is a bad example. A war time president needs a body guard. Garfield
(1881) and McKinley (1901) might be better examples.



-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?

"Ash Wyllie" wrote in message
...

Lincoln is a bad example. A war time president needs a body guard.
Garfield
(1881) and McKinley (1901) might be better examples.



-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?

But Cthulhu wouldn't need a bodyguard. In fact, he (it?) probably would not
even need a cabinet. And we sure wouldn't have any problem dealing with
thugs like Osama and Saddam. Hmmmmm. Now where did I put my copy of the
Necronimicon?

C J Campbell opined

"Ash Wyllie" wrote in message
...

Lincoln is a bad example. A war time president needs a body guard.
Garfield
(1881) and McKinley (1901) might be better examples.



-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?

But Cthulhu wouldn't need a bodyguard. In fact, he (it?) probably would not
even need a cabinet. And we sure wouldn't have any problem dealing with
thugs like Osama and Saddam. Hmmmmm. Now where did I put my copy of the
Necronimicon?

The policy of the Great One would be to eat all assasins. As well as everyone
else.


-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?

-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?


Rhynchophorus cruentatus for President!
Why vote for the lesser of two weevils?

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...
[...] I somehow suspect that the United
States would have its foreign enemies no matter what it did.

Yes, you're right. Of course it would. Not all enemies are creations of
one's own actions. Often, enemies are created by someone else with a
propaganda machine and an agenda.

Frankly, I think bin Laden's group falls into that category. Sure, we've
screwed up in the Middle East, but a) it's not like they're doing such a
great job of it themselves, and b) we haven't meddled enough to warrant the
kind of religious fervor being directed at us and other Western
civilizations, IMHO (obviously, they would disagree ).

Pete

In article ,
"C J Campbell" wrote:
Although I voted for him, I have to say that Harry Browne is an idiot. He
believes that the Secret Service is unnecessary and that there would be no
terrorist attacks if the US did not interfere in other countries' affairs.
If government were smaller and less powerful, he believes, then the
President would not be a target for assassins. This is demonstrably stupid.
The government was much smaller and less powerful than what even Browne
advocates when Lincoln was assassinated. I somehow suspect that the United
States would have its foreign enemies no matter what it did.


As long as the United States remains a free and prosperous nation
willing to stand up to our enemies, we will be despised by someone
always. While the federal government has grown far beyond the limits
provided in the US Constitution, the duty of the federal government to
protect the nation from foreign enemies has always been and will always
be.

Ultimately, the Secret Service wouldn't be doing their job if they
didn't want to keep the President and anyone else they protect in a
sealed box, and those protected public officials or candidates wouldn't
be doing their job if they didn't temper this enthusiasm for security
with their obligation to the people.

As for John Kerry's desire to visit OSH, I'm not impressed, unless you
can tell me that he's visited fly-ins before he became a candidate. A
candidate's willingness to show up for a photo op and good PR doesn't in
any way indicate his attitude toward aviation or anything else.



JKG

I am deeply suspicious of any man like Kerry who incites class warfare, envy
politics, punitive taxation of the most productive, character assassination,
etc., but if he were to come to OSH I would cheerfully show him around and
try to convert him into an airplane nut - not that I have a snowball's
chance in hell of getting near him in the first place...
denny

"Jonathan Goodish" wrote in . A
candidate's willingness to show up for a photo op and good PR doesn't in
any way indicate his attitude toward aviation or anything else.