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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Peter" wrote in message news:iHz0c.152146$jk2.593189@attbi_s53... Sounds just like what Arden (the original poster) did; after his initial contact with ATC and being told to stay clear he stopped transmitting (left the frequency), took off, and flew a course that avoided entering the Class C. "So after I took of, I started flying a route taking me around the class C area that extended to the surface." No, Arden maintained communications with ATC after they were established. He was on the frequency when the controller called him after departure. No, he was receiving only, not actively on the frequency. No communication on his part took place while he took off and started flying his route as described. Presumably the controller was communicating with other pilots during this period. So by your words, we can assume the original request had then been dropped. Not by my words. I suggest you review Arden's original message. I obviously did and quoted it as well. His description met all the requirements you gave in the previous post. Later he said that "Well, the controller then called me by my tail number and asked some questions ..." So a new communication was established which therefore implicitly allows entrance to the Class C according to the regulations that you and others have cited. How is that a new communication? In exactly the same way that if I walk into a room and talk to you, then walk around talking to various other people - or sit in a corner while you talk to others, and then eventually come back to talk to you we would be 'establishing a new communication.' The communication between Arden and the controller was not an ongoing one - they said a few words then stopped talking to each other and did their separate tasks for an extended period. When they again started talking to each other it's a new communication. |
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![]() "Peter" wrote in message news:9BB0c.88760$Xp.414365@attbi_s54... No, he was receiving only, not actively on the frequency. No communication on his part took place while he took off and started flying his route as described. Presumably the controller was communicating with other pilots during this period. Maintaining communications does not mean continuously broadcasting. Arden established two-way radio communications, maintained a listening watch on the frequency, and responded when the controller called him. That's maintaining communications. I obviously did and quoted it as well. His description met all the requirements you gave in the previous post. No, Arden did not leave the frequency. He was there when the controller called him and he responded. In exactly the same way that if I walk into a room and talk to you, then walk around talking to various other people - or sit in a corner while you talk to others, and then eventually come back to talk to you we would be 'establishing a new communication.' That's not maintaining communications. What you describe is akin to leaving the frequency for a while and returning to it later. Arden established communications and remained on the frequency without broadcasting for a time. Like you might if you were engaged in a conversation with a group of people but only listened for a while. You're not speaking, but you're still a party to the conversation. |
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