when does a "remain clear" instruction end?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Peter" wrote in message
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Sounds just like what Arden (the original poster) did; after his initial
contact with ATC and being told to stay clear he stopped
transmitting (left the frequency), took off, and flew a course that
avoided entering the Class C. "So after I took of, I started flying a
route taking me around the class C area that extended to the surface."

No, Arden maintained communications with ATC after they were established.
He was on the frequency when the controller called him after departure.

No, he was receiving only, not actively on the frequency. No communication
on his part took place while he took off and started flying his route as
described. Presumably the controller was communicating with other pilots
during this period.

So by your words, we can assume the original request had then
been dropped.

Not by my words. I suggest you review Arden's original message.

I obviously did and quoted it as well. His description met all the
requirements you gave in the previous post.

Later he said that "Well, the controller then called me by my tail number
and asked some questions ..." So a new communication was established
which therefore implicitly allows entrance to the Class C according to
the regulations that you and others have cited.

How is that a new communication?

In exactly the same way that if I walk into a room and talk to you, then
walk around talking to various other people - or sit in a corner while you
talk to others, and then eventually come back to talk to you we would be
'establishing a new communication.'

The communication between Arden and the controller was not an ongoing one -
they said a few words then stopped talking to each other and did their
separate tasks for an extended period. When they again started talking to
each other it's a new communication.

"Peter" wrote in message
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No, he was receiving only, not actively on the frequency.
No communication on his part took place while he took off
and started flying his route as described. Presumably the
controller was communicating with other pilots during this
period.


Maintaining communications does not mean continuously broadcasting. Arden
established two-way radio communications, maintained a listening watch on
the frequency, and responded when the controller called him. That's
maintaining communications.



I obviously did and quoted it as well. His description met all the
requirements you gave in the previous post.


No, Arden did not leave the frequency. He was there when the controller
called him and he responded.



In exactly the same way that if I walk into a room and talk to you, then
walk around talking to various other people - or sit in a corner while you
talk to others, and then eventually come back to talk to you we would be
'establishing a new communication.'


That's not maintaining communications. What you describe is akin to leaving
the frequency for a while and returning to it later. Arden established
communications and remained on the frequency without broadcasting for a
time. Like you might if you were engaged in a conversation with a group of
people but only listened for a while. You're not speaking, but you're still
a party to the conversation.