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Religious nut stuff.



As opposed to anti-religious nuts, I suppose. Frankly, the supposedly
non-religious appear to be every bit as dangerous and bigoted as the very
devout.

As opposed to anti-religious nuts, I suppose. Frankly, the supposedly
non-religious appear to be every bit as dangerous and bigoted as the very
devout.

Agreed.

Extremists at either end of the spectrum are dangerous.
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As opposed to anti-religious nuts, I suppose. Frankly, the supposedly
non-religious appear to be every bit as dangerous and bigoted as the very
devout.

Agreed.

Extremists at either end of the spectrum are dangerous.

your extremists are dangerous, my extremists aren't .


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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"cn8cg" wrote in message
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Religious nut stuff.



As opposed to anti-religious nuts, I suppose. Frankly, the supposedly
non-religious appear to be every bit as dangerous and bigoted as the very
devout.

The non-religious didn't slaughter 260 million in the past 1000 years.

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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"cn8cg" wrote in message
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Religious nut stuff.



As opposed to anti-religious nuts, I suppose. Frankly, the supposedly
non-religious appear to be every bit as dangerous and bigoted as the
very
devout.

The non-religious didn't slaughter 260 million in the past 1000 years.



Nonsense. The Nazis alone slaughtered more than that. And they are
definitely secular.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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The non-religious didn't slaughter 260 million in the past 1000 years.



Nonsense. The Nazis alone slaughtered more than that. And they are
definitely secular.

The Nazi's killed 30 million and Germany was 82% Protestant, 12% Catholic,
6% Jewish.

Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf. "... I am convinced that I am
acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the
Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a
Reichstag speech in 1938.

Three years later, "I am now as before a Catholic..." the quotation from
Hitler was recorded in the diary of Gerhard Engel, an SS Adjutant, in
October 1941. Hitler was speaking in private, not before a mass audience,
and so it is difficult to dismiss the comment as propaganda lies. Great
literature was banned by his church, but his miserable Mein Kampf never
appeared on the Index of Forbidden Books

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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The non-religious didn't slaughter 260 million in the past 1000 years.



Nonsense. The Nazis alone slaughtered more than that. And they are
definitely secular.

The Nazi's killed 30 million and Germany was 82% Protestant, 12% Catholic,
6% Jewish.

Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf. "... I am convinced that I am
acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing
the
Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a
Reichstag speech in 1938.

Three years later, "I am now as before a Catholic..." the quotation from
Hitler was recorded in the diary of Gerhard Engel, an SS Adjutant, in
October 1941. Hitler was speaking in private, not before a mass audience,
and so it is difficult to dismiss the comment as propaganda lies. Great
literature was banned by his church, but his miserable Mein Kampf never
appeared on the Index of Forbidden Books



Whether Hitler claimed to be a Catholic or not, he is very much secular. I
guess the Ukrainians, fellow Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons,
Russians, Italians, Yugoslavs, French, Danes, Dutch, and everyone else who
Hitler slaughtered are all very happy to know that they don't count in your
tally of 30 million. I guess their lives don't mean very much.

In addition to the Nazis, though, you have wholesale exterminations by the
Soviet Communists, the Chinese Communists, the Khmer Rouge, the French
Terror and the Napoleonic empire that followed it, Hussein's Iraq, the
Shah's Iran, Pancho Villa and many other secular regimes and terrorists that
slaughtered hundreds of millions.

Since secularists are so proud of claiming that the founding fathers of the
US were secularists, I suppose the extermination of the American Indians was
also fostered by secularists.

Your statistics about religionists slaughtering 260 million are a little
suspect, too. How is that calculated? I would not be surprised if that
number is wildly off, either way.

Whenever I hear someone claim that religious belief causes all the wars and
misery in the world, I someone who is buying into the idea of
disenfranchising all the people he hates, rounding them up, and
exterminating them.

It is all about money and property. Religion is sometimes used as an excuse,
but it is always about gold and power.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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The non-religious didn't slaughter 260 million in the past 1000
years.



Nonsense. The Nazis alone slaughtered more than that. And they are
definitely secular.

The Nazi's killed 30 million and Germany was 82% Protestant, 12%
Catholic,
6% Jewish.

Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf. "... I am convinced that I am
acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing
the
Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in
a
Reichstag speech in 1938.

Three years later, "I am now as before a Catholic..." the quotation from
Hitler was recorded in the diary of Gerhard Engel, an SS Adjutant, in
October 1941. Hitler was speaking in private, not before a mass
audience,
and so it is difficult to dismiss the comment as propaganda lies. Great
literature was banned by his church, but his miserable Mein Kampf never
appeared on the Index of Forbidden Books



Whether Hitler claimed to be a Catholic or not, he is very much secular.

Nope, he's the empitome of what happens under religion.
I
guess the Ukrainians, fellow Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons,
Russians, Italians, Yugoslavs, French, Danes, Dutch, and everyone else who
Hitler slaughtered are all very happy to know that they don't count in
your
tally of 30 million. I guess their lives don't mean very much.

You got another number?


In addition to the Nazis, though, you have wholesale exterminations by the
Soviet Communists, the Chinese Communists, the Khmer Rouge, the French
Terror and the Napoleonic empire that followed it, Hussein's Iraq, the
Shah's Iran, Pancho Villa and many other secular regimes and terrorists
that
slaughtered hundreds of millions.

Got some numbers...or just religion?

Since secularists are so proud of claiming that the founding fathers of
the
US were secularists, I suppose the extermination of the American Indians
was
also fostered by secularists.

I knew that religion rotted the brain, but...


Your statistics about religionists slaughtering 260 million are a little
suspect, too. How is that calculated? I would not be surprised if that
number is wildly off, either way.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

But you can just start another spin (Funny isn;t, how conservative can spin
just as well as other groups).


Whenever I hear someone claim that religious belief causes all the wars
and
misery in the world, I someone who is buying into the idea of
disenfranchising all the people he hates, rounding them up, and
exterminating them.

Think of what religious belief is based on...


It is all about money and property. Religion is sometimes used as an
excuse,
but it is always about gold and power.

And the two are handmaidens. Think of the interrelations...

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 20:37:10 -0800, C J Campbell wrote:

In addition to the Nazis, though, you have wholesale exterminations by the
Soviet Communists, the Chinese Communists, the Khmer Rouge, the French
Terror and the Napoleonic empire that followed it, Hussein's Iraq, the
Shah's Iran, Pancho Villa and many other secular regimes and terrorists that
slaughtered hundreds of millions.

your listing is incomplete. not to play down all the above listed cruelties
(au contraire), but there was also some slaughter towards the native
american tribes (Indians).

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The non-religious didn't slaughter 260 million in the past 1000 years.



Nonsense. The Nazis alone slaughtered more than that. And they are
definitely secular.

No, that would have been impossible. The big round figure for WWII
dead is 55 million.

But your point is well taken. Religious wars have generally been
peanuts compared to the secular ones.

Indeed, all wars have been peanuts compared to WWI and WWII. Each in
its time was the worst thing that ever happened, and neither had
anything to do with religion.


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