Whew!

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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I distrust violent religious zealots, including atheists and other
supposedly non-religious types who think it is their mission in life to
protect the world from those who have religious beliefs. None of them
can
be
trusted.

You just named 105% of the population of the Earth.

Pretty much. Trust no one. Well, maybe you can trust Superman. And you can
trust me. But no one else.

"Greg Burkhart" wrote in message news:jRn2c.60600
I took my girlfriend to Hell a few years ago in September. Walked all over
Hell, didn't take long. Nice dam and lake there. I don't remember an
airport
near that area, probably Cackleberry, Carriage Lane or Richmond Field are
the closest?


No, got to build an airport first. There are no airports down in Hell. (and
if you know the original words to that song, you really are old)

The nearest airport to hell is Roberts International, unless there are some
private strips in the area.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Jane and I are planning to go back in November. This time I would like
to
fly us there, so I can land in Hell.

Come to Arizona in July...we'll teach you what hell is really like.

Already done that. Jane's sister lives in Avondale. We were walking away
from the plane at Glendale and heard a loud 'bang.' Looked back and a tire
had blown. It was 115 degrees officially, but I bet it was hotter on the
ramp.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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The non-religious didn't slaughter 260 million in the past 1000
years.



Nonsense. The Nazis alone slaughtered more than that. And they are
definitely secular.

The Nazi's killed 30 million and Germany was 82% Protestant, 12%
Catholic,
6% Jewish.

Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf. "... I am convinced that I am
acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing
the
Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in
a
Reichstag speech in 1938.

Three years later, "I am now as before a Catholic..." the quotation from
Hitler was recorded in the diary of Gerhard Engel, an SS Adjutant, in
October 1941. Hitler was speaking in private, not before a mass
audience,
and so it is difficult to dismiss the comment as propaganda lies. Great
literature was banned by his church, but his miserable Mein Kampf never
appeared on the Index of Forbidden Books



Whether Hitler claimed to be a Catholic or not, he is very much secular.

Nope, he's the empitome of what happens under religion.
I
guess the Ukrainians, fellow Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons,
Russians, Italians, Yugoslavs, French, Danes, Dutch, and everyone else who
Hitler slaughtered are all very happy to know that they don't count in
your
tally of 30 million. I guess their lives don't mean very much.

You got another number?


In addition to the Nazis, though, you have wholesale exterminations by the
Soviet Communists, the Chinese Communists, the Khmer Rouge, the French
Terror and the Napoleonic empire that followed it, Hussein's Iraq, the
Shah's Iran, Pancho Villa and many other secular regimes and terrorists
that
slaughtered hundreds of millions.

Got some numbers...or just religion?

Since secularists are so proud of claiming that the founding fathers of
the
US were secularists, I suppose the extermination of the American Indians
was
also fostered by secularists.

I knew that religion rotted the brain, but...


Your statistics about religionists slaughtering 260 million are a little
suspect, too. How is that calculated? I would not be surprised if that
number is wildly off, either way.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

But you can just start another spin (Funny isn;t, how conservative can spin
just as well as other groups).


Whenever I hear someone claim that religious belief causes all the wars
and
misery in the world, I someone who is buying into the idea of
disenfranchising all the people he hates, rounding them up, and
exterminating them.

Think of what religious belief is based on...


It is all about money and property. Religion is sometimes used as an
excuse,
but it is always about gold and power.

And the two are handmaidens. Think of the interrelations...

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...
I distrust violent religious zealots, including atheists and other
supposedly non-religious types who think it is their mission in life
to
protect the world from those who have religious beliefs. None of them
can
be
trusted.

You just named 105% of the population of the Earth.

Pretty much. Trust no one. Well, maybe you can trust Superman. And you can
trust me. But no one else.

I trust no one who shoves their head up their ass and calls it "the word of
god".

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Jane and I are planning to go back in November. This time I would like
to
fly us there, so I can land in Hell.

Come to Arizona in July...we'll teach you what hell is really like.

Already done that. Jane's sister lives in Avondale. We were walking away
from the plane at Glendale and heard a loud 'bang.' Looked back and a tire
had blown. It was 115 degrees officially, but I bet it was hotter on the
ramp.

Remember that official temperature is measured in the shade...in the sun it
can be 140-150 or more.

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 20:37:10 -0800, C J Campbell wrote:

In addition to the Nazis, though, you have wholesale exterminations by the
Soviet Communists, the Chinese Communists, the Khmer Rouge, the French
Terror and the Napoleonic empire that followed it, Hussein's Iraq, the
Shah's Iran, Pancho Villa and many other secular regimes and terrorists that
slaughtered hundreds of millions.

your listing is incomplete. not to play down all the above listed cruelties
(au contraire), but there was also some slaughter towards the native
american tribes (Indians).

#m
--
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990509

The non-religious didn't slaughter 260 million in the past 1000 years.



Nonsense. The Nazis alone slaughtered more than that. And they are
definitely secular.

No, that would have been impossible. The big round figure for WWII
dead is 55 million.

But your point is well taken. Religious wars have generally been
peanuts compared to the secular ones.

Indeed, all wars have been peanuts compared to WWI and WWII. Each in
its time was the worst thing that ever happened, and neither had
anything to do with religion.


all the best -- Dan Ford
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The nearest airport to hell is Roberts International, unless there are some
private strips in the area.

I was under the impression that the Gates to Hell were located in the
tunnel between the B and C concourses of O'Hare.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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The non-religious didn't slaughter 260 million in the past 1000 years.



Nonsense. The Nazis alone slaughtered more than that. And they are
definitely secular.

No, that would have been impossible. The big round figure for WWII
dead is 55 million.

But your point is well taken. Religious wars have generally been
peanuts compared to the secular ones.

Quite the opposite if given relative population levels and leathality of
weapons.

Europe's religious war alone killed the aforementioned 260M during a period
the population average was less than 200M. That was a time when the bow and
arrow was the high tech weapon of the day.


Indeed, all wars have been peanuts compared to WWI and WWII. Each in
its time was the worst thing that ever happened, and neither had
anything to do with religion.

Do a bit of a read on the religious wars of the Dark and Middle Ages
(Hundred Years War, Crusades, etc) and compare the numbers when the
population of Europe was about one-fourth what it was in the 1940's.

Recall, too, tht both Germany and Japan claimed something of a "divine
right" of conquest. Then, too, the parallels between Marxism and religion
are stunning (speaking of the "thought" process, not the manifesation).