We Are All Spaniards

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:OZ_4c.11522$1p.210809@attbi_s54...
Terrorists kill innocents. America's rebels fought the British for
independence -- they didn't pointlessly blow up schools in far-flung,
unrelated locales.

US and Spain are not unrelated locales for OBL's people, as Israel is
not unrelated for the palestinian terrorists, etc. And as to
pointlessness, look around you and tell me if WTC hasn't had the
desired effect.

To even suggest that El Queda operatives are fighting a "war of
independence" is offensive. They are killing innocents around the world,
for no apparent reason, with no goal other than terror and suffering in
mind, all in the name of Allah.

They invoke Allah as a means to convince the lower ranks, because
religion is one of the very few thinks that can make men blow
themselfs up. But the have politics in mind.

Their agenda is not freedom -- it is the downfall of Western civilization,
in the name of God.

It's thier own freedom from western opresion. Believe it or not, they
don't see America as their saviour, but as their invader.

Alex wrote:

And as to
pointlessness, look around you and tell me if WTC hasn't had the
desired effect.

Well, since in one of your other posts, you claim that Al Quaida's aim is to
get the U.S. out of the Middle East, and the WTC attack played a major part in
the establishment of bases in Kuwait, the removal of the Taliban from Afghanistan,
and the invasion of Iraq, I'd say that it's had exactly the opposite effect of
what was desired.

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ...
Well, since in one of your other posts, you claim that Al Quaida's aim is to
get the U.S. out of the Middle East, and the WTC attack played a major part in
the establishment of bases in Kuwait, the removal of the Taliban from Afghanistan,
and the invasion of Iraq, I'd say that it's had exactly the opposite effect of
what was desired.

All right, let me try again. The US has been interfering with
governments all over the world for many decades. Some very exceptional
and highly publicized interventions end up well (WW2). But most of
them lead directly or indirectly to poverty, famine and general misery
(Lat.America). In most of these places the people just sigh and go on
in their daily struggle to survive... Some have mixed feelings because
they have the rare privilege of having access to the US-produced
goods.

Maybe the US interventions in the Middle East have been much more
unbearable, or maybe the people there aren't so sheepish and they
fight back. So they don't really care if the US sends the tanks and
fighters. They just want to get even. Of course, the tanks and
fighters just reinforce their reasoning and so it may even serve their
cause.

I remember the day of the WTC attacks. Not only was I horrified and
shocked, but I also feared the spiral of violence that would come
next. Of course the US had the right to retaliate, and of course
whoever got attacked by the US (not the offenders, of course) had the
right to retaliate in turn, and so on. It's happening slower than I
thought, but it is happening, and I don't see an end to it, as much as
I don't see an end to the palestinian/israeli suffering...

So I don't know what has to be done to stop this madness, but one of
the sides should drastically change positions. Of course it is very
difficult for the fighters to step down, forget and forgive and take
the blame, but someone has to do it. Maybe the new JFK is the only
hope.

In article ,
(Alex) writes:


Their agenda is not freedom -- it is the downfall of Western civilization,
in the name of God.

It's thier own freedom from western opresion. Believe it or not, they
don't see America as their saviour, but as their invader.



Actually, it's all about Brittany Spears.

Their sons, and worse, their daughters, think Brittany is cool. That is death
to their mysogenistic, sixth century culture. For centuries, they could
indoctrinate their sons in madrasas's, and their daughters at their mothers
knees, into their backward, authoritarian feudal culture in isolation, but now,
in the electronic age, Brittany rains down on them from our satelites and their
stick in the mud culture cannot compete for the hearts of the next generation.

And they are ****ed.

They can't win. Their people thirst for information from the outside. As soon
as we struck down the Taliban, satelite dishes buried in back yards sprouted up
like daffodils in the spring. Their culture cannot stand open exchange with the
outside world, and technology will no longer give them a place to hide. So
their culture is dying, but like a snake with a broken back, they are lashing
out blindly.

The sooner we drag them out of the sixth century, the fewer of them we will
have to kill to stop the violence. Dropping the rule of law and self
determination right into the heart of the middle east in Iraq is the quickest
way to bring the struggle to an end.


--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

On 17 Mar 2004 18:22:35 GMT, ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote:

In article ,
(Alex) writes:


Their agenda is not freedom -- it is the downfall of Western civilization,
in the name of God.

It's thier own freedom from western opresion. Believe it or not, they
don't see America as their saviour, but as their invader.



Actually, it's all about Brittany Spears.

Their sons, and worse, their daughters, think Brittany is cool. That is death
to their mysogenistic, sixth century culture. For centuries, they could
indoctrinate their sons in madrasas's, and their daughters at their mothers
knees, into their backward, authoritarian feudal culture in isolation, but now,
in the electronic age, Brittany rains down on them from our satelites and their
stick in the mud culture cannot compete for the hearts of the next generation.

And they are ****ed.

They can't win. Their people thirst for information from the outside. As soon
as we struck down the Taliban, satelite dishes buried in back yards sprouted up
like daffodils in the spring. Their culture cannot stand open exchange with the
outside world, and technology will no longer give them a place to hide. So
their culture is dying, but like a snake with a broken back, they are lashing
out blindly.

The sooner we drag them out of the sixth century, the fewer of them we will
have to kill to stop the violence. Dropping the rule of law and self
determination right into the heart of the middle east in Iraq is the quickest
way to bring the struggle to an end.


--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

Wow. I never thought of Brittany Spears as a valiant agent of change,
crusader of American "culture". I always thought she was just a
slightly dimwitted so called singer, blessed with a lusty body and
willing to flaunt it.

The things you learn in this group.

Corky Scott

Wow. I never thought of Brittany Spears as a valiant agent of change,
crusader of American "culture". I always thought she was just a
slightly dimwitted so called singer, blessed with a lusty body and
willing to flaunt it.

Good thing it's Brittany.

If Don had said it was Eminem (as my son firmly believes), I was about to
switch sides and join the Mujahadin in their Holy War!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote in message ...
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The sooner we drag them out of the sixth century, the fewer of them we will
have to kill to stop the violence. Dropping the rule of law and self
determination right into the heart of the middle east in Iraq is the quickest
way to bring the struggle to an end.

I hope you do realize the contradiction in that last statement...

"Wdtabor" wrote:
Actually, it's all about Brittany Spears.

Their sons, and worse, their daughters, think Brittany is cool.

So that's it: they're fighting against mediocrity and bad taste. I may
change my sympathies.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
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