We Are All Spaniards

C J Campbell wrote:


"S Green" wrote in message
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The biggest difference that I can see is that the war for American
Independence took place in America.

So what of the native Americans. After all the so called Freedom fighters
were the colonialists. They secured independence and then began a
genocidal
assault on the native Americans.
Perhaps the raiding parties and attacks by the Indians were the natives
trying to secure their rights to live their lives in peace.

Maybe that does not count?



I know of no Americans who excuse what was done to the Indians. However,
your description of what happened is extremely simplistic, ignoring
efforts by European powers to arm the Indians and foment uprising by them.

Are you seriously arguing that Osama bin Laden and his ilk are fighting
for the independence of some country? Or that they are trying to institute
democracy among their people? Are you suggesting that the United States,
Spain, and other countries deserve to be attacked by terrorists?

The best example of "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"
today is the whole Israel/Palestine mess. The Palestinians have many
legitemite beefs and in that respect are certainly fighting for their
freedom. But their message is largely lost by their continued use of such
deplorable tactics. Israel is just as culpable for stirring the pot, they
certainly understand that it is in their interests to keep that terrorist
label intact.

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Frank....H

"Frank" wrote in message ...

The Palestinians have many legitemite beefs and in that respect
are certainly fighting for their freedom.


In what way are they fighting for their freedom?

They are fighting for the freedom to control Jerusalem again.



"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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"Frank" wrote in message ...

The Palestinians have many legitemite beefs and in that respect
are certainly fighting for their freedom.


In what way are they fighting for their freedom?

"Judah" wrote in message
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They are fighting for the freedom to control Jerusalem again.


So their goal is conquest then.

They are fighting for the freedom to control Jerusalem again.

So their goal is conquest then.


Is it conquest to take back what was taken from you? Is it theft to take back
what was stolen from you?

Of course you go back far enough everything was stolen. But if no action is
taken, the strip stays on the console.

Jose


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"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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Is it conquest to take back what was taken from you? Is it theft to
take back what was stolen from you?


What was stolen? Who took it?

Is it conquest to take back what was taken from you? Is it theft to
take back what was stolen from you?

What was stolen? Who took it? [ Palastinians]


I don't know. However I believe that the Palistinians believe that their land
was stolen from them and they want it back. Everyone seems to have a claim on
the Holy Land, and everyone believes that the other's claims are invalid.

I don't know which is right (and don't want to get into the specifics here).
The question stands as above - in theory, if some country conquers land, and
the conquered nation attempts to take it back, would you characterize this
attempt as an attempt at conquest?

Knowing how you are using the words helps avoid misunderstanding them.

Jose

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"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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They are fighting for the freedom to control Jerusalem again.

So their goal is conquest then.


Is it conquest to take back what was taken from you? Is it theft to take
back
what was stolen from you?


Israel is the only country that has ever been there. It has been ruled by
various colonial powers from time to time. The Romans called the area
'Palestine' after the extinct Philistines in order to insult the Jews living
there. But it has always been basically the same country.

The 'Palestinians' are an Arabic tribe that is neither native to the area
nor have they ever had a national identity. Their goal is conquest in a vain
attempt to restore the great Islamic empire that held Israel in subjugation
during the Middle Ages.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Judah" wrote in message
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They are fighting for the freedom to control Jerusalem again.

So their goal is conquest then.

No, it's reversal of conquest.

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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No, it's reversal of conquest.


Oh? What conquest do they seek to reverse?