We Are All Spaniards

In article , pacplyer wrote:
The rest of the world hates us anyway because we have a very high
standard of living here and we are truely free to enjoy life, liberty,
and the pursuit of flying little airplanes.

Ummm, speaking as a member of "the rest of the world", I don't hate the
US. Quite the contrary.

--
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Dylan Smith wrote in message ...
In article , pacplyer wrote:
The rest of the world hates us anyway because we have a very high
standard of living here and we are truely free to enjoy life, liberty,
and the pursuit of flying little airplanes.

Ummm, speaking as a member of "the rest of the world", I don't hate the
US. Quite the contrary.

Sorry Dylan,

I should have said "much of the world." Pays to proof read one's own
diatribes from time to time. ;-)

pacplyer

(pacplyer) wrote in message . com...

What I don't understand is why are we wasting money rebuilding Iraq?

Your "honorable" government members are making money with it like
noone has seen before. Which is, probably, one of the main motives for
the invasion.

We're just going to have to go back and bomb it in a few years from
now anyway.

Sure, greed never ends.

... I think Jay is right about random bombers. Kill them all.
Issue a new deck of terrorist cards and make those cards redeemable
for large amounts of compensation when they are returned along with
said terrrorist's head in a sack.

Israel is following your advice quite well. Do you think Israel can
sit back and relax now? How many more inocent victims will this
assasination have caused?

The rest of the world hates us anyway because we have a very high
standard of living here and we are truely free to enjoy life, liberty,
and the pursuit of flying little airplanes.

Jeez, how vain can you be?! People enjoy life and freedom outside of
the US too, you know? More freedom I think; their governments aren't
all over their wherabouts.

Seriously, though: I don't think people in the world *hate* the US;
only their actions regarding foreign policy. There is much to be
admired from the US, and a lot to be despised.

I, for one, watched amazed how Bush threw incredibly feeble excuses
and lies to an astonishingly gullible public after 9/11. Noone I know
could believe how stupid Mr. Bush had to be to think he could go away
with such blatant lies. Yet he did... I feel truly sorry for the
people who can't see beyond the propaganda machine, as obvious as it
is. But I know there are a lot of people in the US who can see beyond,
and a lot of very brave people who openly state their opposition. I
feel sad because we are all victims of a lunatic who reached power
through electoral fraud (which, in the US, is the ultimate irony) and
is driving the world to a nightmare only to satisfy his and his
friend's greed. That, and having the support of their gullible
followers, who really believe Iraq was invaded because of Saddam or,
worst yet, because of WMD or, worst even, because of some link with
Al-Qaeda, is the saddest thing in the world.

I, for one, watched amazed how Bush threw incredibly feeble excuses
and lies to an astonishingly gullible public after 9/11. Noone I know
could believe how stupid Mr. Bush had to be to think he could go away
with such blatant lies. Yet he did... I feel truly sorry for the
people who can't see beyond the propaganda machine, as obvious as it
is. But I know there are a lot of people in the US who can see beyond,
and a lot of very brave people who openly state their opposition. I
feel sad because we are all victims of a lunatic who reached power
through electoral fraud (which, in the US, is the ultimate irony) and
is driving the world to a nightmare only to satisfy his and his
friend's greed. That, and having the support of their gullible
followers, who really believe Iraq was invaded because of Saddam or,
worst yet, because of WMD or, worst even, because of some link with
Al-Qaeda, is the saddest thing in the world.

Please pack this drivel away, once and for all...

How is GW getting rich on Iraq?

How is it that the major nations of the world, the United Nations, and your
patron saint, Bill Clinton, were all convinced that Saddam had weapons of
mass destruction, and publicly stated so before the war? (Not a huge leap
of faith, given that Saddam ADMITTED to having them, and USED them on his
own people.)

How is it that the Supreme Court of our country -- packed, as it was, with
Clinton appointees -- perpetrated an "electoral fraud" on us all?

When are folks of your ilk going to realize that we actually, finally, for a
brief moment in time, have a president who says what he means, means what he
says, and doesn't back down because some ABC Pollster -- or foreign
dignitary -- tells him that the folks in Newark or Paris don't agree with
his positions?

Personally, I do not agree with everything Bush does. However, if you're
going to impugn the man's character, at least back it up with some logic and
a few facts -- not just the left-wing's tired re-hash of old lies and
innuendo.

And, by the way...how 'bout that new Garmin G1000?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Great post Jay. Right on the money. I too have major issues with
Bush/Cheney but all things considered feel that they are reasonable
operators. Can't stand the GA impact by dept. of home defense/TSA,
labor law trashing, Patriot Act, other things. But those men did the
best they could with the crappy intel they were given on the war
front. Remember, it was the Clinton admin that meddled around with
the CIA stipulating that they could no longer hire any "unsavory
characters." Thank god for term limits.

pac


"Jay Honeck" wrote

Please pack this drivel away, once and for all...

How is GW getting rich on Iraq?

How is it that the major nations of the world, the United Nations, and your
patron saint, Bill Clinton, were all convinced that Saddam had weapons of
mass destruction, and publicly stated so before the war? (Not a huge leap
of faith, given that Saddam ADMITTED to having them, and USED them on his
own people.)

How is it that the Supreme Court of our country -- packed, as it was, with
Clinton appointees -- perpetrated an "electoral fraud" on us all?

When are folks of your ilk going to realize that we actually, finally, for a
brief moment in time, have a president who says what he means, means what he
says, and doesn't back down because some ABC Pollster -- or foreign
dignitary -- tells him that the folks in Newark or Paris don't agree with
his positions?

Personally, I do not agree with everything Bush does. However, if you're
going to impugn the man's character, at least back it up with some logic and
a few facts -- not just the left-wing's tired re-hash of old lies and
innuendo.

And, by the way...how 'bout that new Garmin G1000?

"pacplyer" wrote in message
m...
Great post Jay. Right on the money. I too have major issues with
Bush/Cheney but all things considered feel that they are reasonable
operators. Can't stand the GA impact by dept. of home defense/TSA,
labor law trashing, Patriot Act, other things.

Considering that wuring WW2, the US intered members of it's populace, the US
response after 9/11 was rather "mild". Remember that it was Bubba who first
had concrete barriers placed in front of the White House,,,during a time of
peace.

But those men did the
best they could with the crappy intel they were given on the war
front. Remember, it was the Clinton admin that meddled around with
the CIA stipulating that they could no longer hire any "unsavory
characters."

That goes back the 70's and the Tower Commission, at the behest of the
radical left. But it was Clinton that pretty much held that technical
surveillance (satellite) would be adequate. That was criminally ignorant.
The path of terrorism unanswered during the Clinton regime is sickening.

Anyone was to claim that had Gore been in office he would NOT have declared
martial law after 9/11?

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:6BM7c.61319$_w.945434@attbi_s53...
Please pack this drivel away, once and for all...

No problem, there's obviously no point in arguing with you. One last
thing I would like to say, though. In this discussion you have shown
how far from being a Spaniard you are, inspite of your own subject
line.

No problem, there's obviously no point in arguing with you. One last
thing I would like to say, though. In this discussion you have shown
how far from being a Spaniard you are, inspite of your own subject
line.

Sorry, Alex. I completely misread the situation in Spain, and my feelings
of solidarity with them were clearly misplaced. If you had followed the
more recent thread "We are All Spaniards -- NOT", you would know how I feel
about this.

I stopped "Being a Spaniard" the moment the Spanish electorate handed the
terrorists their biggest victory. They have endangered us all in a way that
cannot be measured.

I still feel compassion for the innocent victims, but it is plainly evident
that the Spanish people have rightly earned their world status as a
third-tier nation. It's hard to believe that these same people once ruled
the seas, and much of the world.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:Jcj8c.83648$_w.1132827@attbi_s53...
I stopped "Being a Spaniard" the moment the Spanish electorate handed the
terrorists their biggest victory. They have endangered us all in a way
that
cannot be measured.

I still feel compassion for the innocent victims, but it is plainly
evident
that the Spanish people have rightly earned their world status as a
third-tier nation. It's hard to believe that these same people once
ruled
the seas, and much of the world.

And barely 200 years ago Spain was one of the three (Spain, England,
France), if not THE dominant power(s) and most prosperous nations in the
world. Today they're like a bunch of burned out old hags. They were never
really invaded, but the destroyed themselves from within. And so it goes...

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:Jcj8c.83648$_w.1132827@attbi_s53...
I stopped "Being a Spaniard" the moment the Spanish electorate handed
the
terrorists their biggest victory. They have endangered us all in a way
that
cannot be measured.

I still feel compassion for the innocent victims, but it is plainly
evident
that the Spanish people have rightly earned their world status as a
third-tier nation. It's hard to believe that these same people once
ruled
the seas, and much of the world.

And barely 200 years ago Spain was one of the three (Spain, England,
France), if not THE dominant power(s) and most prosperous nations in the
world. Today they're like a bunch of burned out old hags. They were never
really invaded, but the destroyed themselves from within. And so it
goes...

You also have to remember that Spain is just one generation
removed from a fascist dictatorship. As such, its political
institutions are somewhat fragile and its political class is
immature. The socialists never really expected to win, and
are in a way caught up in their own rhetoric.

That said, the new governments position is certainly irresponsible.
No matter what one might think of Bush/Blair and how we got
there, the question that should be asked is "What would happen
if *all* troops pulled out?". Clearly, the result would be a civil war,
further instability, the possible restoration of the Ba'athist régime,
and the resumption of mass killings. As the new Spanish government
would prefer to analyze the situation by describing the occupation
as "a joke" (so ok, how would you make it better?) and by calling
Blair "a dick head", it is clear that they aren't ready for a place at
the top table.