We Are All Spaniards

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:Jcj8c.83648$_w.1132827@attbi_s53...
No problem, there's obviously no point in arguing with you. One last
thing I would like to say, though. In this discussion you have shown
how far from being a Spaniard you are, inspite of your own subject
line.

Sorry, Alex. I completely misread the situation in Spain, and my feelings
of solidarity with them were clearly misplaced. If you had followed the
more recent thread "We are All Spaniards -- NOT", you would know how I
feel
about this.

I stopped "Being a Spaniard" the moment the Spanish electorate handed the
terrorists their biggest victory. They have endangered us all in a way
that
cannot be measured.

I still feel compassion for the innocent victims, but it is plainly
evident
that the Spanish people have rightly earned their world status as a
third-tier nation. It's hard to believe that these same people once
ruled
the seas, and much of the world.
--

The Spanish are more of a first world nation than the US ever will be Jay.
All empires come and go. Same will happen to the US. History is a great
place to begin learning about the future. Mind you you need a history in the
first place.

"S Green" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:Jcj8c.83648$_w.1132827@attbi_s53...
No problem, there's obviously no point in arguing with you. One last
thing I would like to say, though. In this discussion you have shown
how far from being a Spaniard you are, inspite of your own subject
line.

Sorry, Alex. I completely misread the situation in Spain, and my
feelings
of solidarity with them were clearly misplaced. If you had followed
the
more recent thread "We are All Spaniards -- NOT", you would know how I
feel
about this.

I stopped "Being a Spaniard" the moment the Spanish electorate handed
the
terrorists their biggest victory. They have endangered us all in a way
that
cannot be measured.

I still feel compassion for the innocent victims, but it is plainly
evident
that the Spanish people have rightly earned their world status as a
third-tier nation. It's hard to believe that these same people once
ruled
the seas, and much of the world.
--

The Spanish are more of a first world nation than the US ever will be Jay.
All empires come and go. Same will happen to the US. History is a great
place to begin learning about the future. Mind you you need a history in
the
first place.

That's the best joke of this very long thread. Spain a first world
country......I nearly spilt my Barq's root beer over that one.

Up until this thread, I always thought Jay was a decent guy.
I looked forward sometime to flying across the country and
staying at his hotel.

This thread has been an eye-openeer, and this particular mail
has finally prompted me to get to my keyboard. This is unbelievably
patronising. The former Spanish government took Spain into
a war against the expressed will of the Spanish people, just
as my government's country did (the United Kingdom). The purported
basis for the war has been demonstrated now to have been false.
The Spanish people have voted, in a democratic way, to remove
that government.

I know it's hard for quite a few Americans to accept it (evidently
including Jay), but just because the US government wants to do
something, doesn't mean that everyone in the whole world should
agree with them.

Guess if I ever do come to Iowa City (not honestly very likely), I'll
be looking for another hotel.

John

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:Jcj8c.83648$_w.1132827@attbi_s53...
No problem, there's obviously no point in arguing with you. One last
thing I would like to say, though. In this discussion you have shown
how far from being a Spaniard you are, inspite of your own subject
line.

Sorry, Alex. I completely misread the situation in Spain, and my feelings
of solidarity with them were clearly misplaced. If you had followed the
more recent thread "We are All Spaniards -- NOT", you would know how I
feel
about this.

I stopped "Being a Spaniard" the moment the Spanish electorate handed the
terrorists their biggest victory. They have endangered us all in a way
that
cannot be measured.

I still feel compassion for the innocent victims, but it is plainly
evident
that the Spanish people have rightly earned their world status as a
third-tier nation. It's hard to believe that these same people once
ruled
the seas, and much of the world.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article 1080160340.555275@sj-nntpcache-5,
John Harper wrote:
The Spanish people have voted, in a democratic way, to remove
that government.

I know it's hard for quite a few Americans to accept it

My cat frequently leads me to the counter by the treats and whines.
I can sit here in my office and think, "I will give the cat a treat no
matter what," before I go downstairs. If I go to give him a treat and
he runs in front of me and whines before I do, it doesn't matter to my
cat that there is a perfectly logical alternative reason why he got a
treat. The lesson that is reinforced for him is, "I whine, I get treats".

I've seen plenty of perfectly logical alternative explanations to the
outcome of the Spanish elections. I don't think any of them will dissuade
terrorists from learning the lesson, "I can change the election if I blow
stuff up."

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

Guess if I ever do come to Iowa City (not honestly very likely), I'll
be looking for another hotel.

Sad, but we'll get by without you, John.

If a conversation about world politics so upsets your delicate nature, I can
only wonder how you survive in the real world.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Last week I heard that 70% of the Brits approved of the war. Was this
in error?



John Harper wrote:

Up until this thread, I always thought Jay was a decent guy.
I looked forward sometime to flying across the country and
staying at his hotel.

This thread has been an eye-openeer, and this particular mail
has finally prompted me to get to my keyboard. This is unbelievably
patronising. The former Spanish government took Spain into
a war against the expressed will of the Spanish people, just
as my government's country did (the United Kingdom). The purported
basis for the war has been demonstrated now to have been false.
The Spanish people have voted, in a democratic way, to remove
that government.

I know it's hard for quite a few Americans to accept it (evidently
including Jay), but just because the US government wants to do
something, doesn't mean that everyone in the whole world should
agree with them.

Guess if I ever do come to Iowa City (not honestly very likely), I'll
be looking for another hotel.

"John Harper" wrote in message
news:1080160340.555275@sj-nntpcache-5...
Up until this thread, I always thought Jay was a decent guy.
I looked forward sometime to flying across the country and
staying at his hotel.

This thread has been an eye-openeer, and this particular mail
has finally prompted me to get to my keyboard. This is unbelievably
patronising. The former Spanish government took Spain into
a war against the expressed will of the Spanish people,

John, Spain is NOT a democracy where each issue is decided seperately.

just
as my government's country did (the United Kingdom). The purported
basis for the war has been demonstrated now to have been false.

Nope! Based on the bombing, it quite RIGHT.

The Spanish people have voted, in a democratic way, to remove
that government.

Their right...just like Germany voted in their choice in the 30's.


I know it's hard for quite a few Americans to accept it (evidently
including Jay), but just because the US government wants to do
something, doesn't mean that everyone in the whole world should
agree with them.

We don't ask the to agree with us and we certainly don't ask theri
PERMISSION.


Guess if I ever do come to Iowa City (not honestly very likely), I'll
be looking for another hotel.

FOAD.

in article Jcj8c.83648$_w.1132827@attbi_s53, Jay Honeck at
wrote on 3/24/04 9:04 AM:

No problem, there's obviously no point in arguing with you. One last
thing I would like to say, though. In this discussion you have shown
how far from being a Spaniard you are, inspite of your own subject
line.

Sorry, Alex. I completely misread the situation in Spain, and my feelings
of solidarity with them were clearly misplaced. If you had followed the
more recent thread "We are All Spaniards -- NOT", you would know how I feel
about this.

I stopped "Being a Spaniard" the moment the Spanish electorate handed the
terrorists their biggest victory. They have endangered us all in a way that
cannot be measured.

What is it about the Spanish elections that confuses people so? Everyting
about them is perfectly rational.

The leaders of Spain, much like our own leaders, told their people that
sending troops to Iraq and defeating Saddam Hussein would help keep them
safe from Al Qaida. After having sent troops to Iraq, and subsequently
suffering a terrorist attack from Al Qaida that was roughly equivalent to
the 9-11 attacks in terms of percentage of the population killed, the
Spanish people have quite logically concluded that sending troops to Iraq
and defeating Saddam Hussein did absolutely nothing to keep them safe from
Al Qaida. Why would they conclude otherwise?

I still feel compassion for the innocent victims, but it is plainly evident
that the Spanish people have rightly earned their world status as a
third-tier nation. It's hard to believe that these same people once ruled
the seas, and much of the world.

How many decades hence will historians be saying the same thing about the
U.S? In our lifetimes? In a hundred years? Empires have never lasted, and
they never will. It's a simple and unavoidable fact.

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...

Spanish people have quite logically concluded that sending troops to Iraq
and defeating Saddam Hussein did absolutely nothing to keep them safe from
Al Qaida. Why would they conclude otherwise?

Why is it that when I hear "logically" and "people" in the same
sentence I have to repress a snort? Oh well. The questions that
the "Spanish people" should have asked themselves a-

1) Will withdrawal from the coalition make us safer from Al Qaida
blackmail or not, especially since we have outposts in Morocco
and OBL has claimed us as the lost Moorish land of Andalusia?

2) If everyone withdrew from the coalition, what will happen to
Iraq?

3) Why should Britain and the US lift a finger in future to help
us if we pull out of the coalition and insult them at the same time?

Someone should have explained to them exactly what they were
voting for.

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...
What is it about the Spanish elections that confuses people so? Everyting
about them is perfectly rational.

The leaders of Spain, much like our own leaders, told their people that
sending troops to Iraq and defeating Saddam Hussein would help keep them
safe from Al Qaida.

Is that what they told them? If they did, they were patently NUTS! Anyone
who gets to the top of a country and spouts such drivel deserves to lose.

After having sent troops to Iraq, and subsequently
suffering a terrorist attack from Al Qaida that was roughly equivalent to
the 9-11 attacks in terms of percentage of the population killed, the
Spanish people have quite logically concluded that sending troops to Iraq
and defeating Saddam Hussein did absolutely nothing to keep them safe from
Al Qaida. Why would they conclude otherwise?

Boy, those Spaniards must believe in the tooth fairy as well.

How many decades hence will historians be saying the same thing about the
U.S? In our lifetimes? In a hundred years? Empires have never lasted, and
they never will. It's a simple and unavoidable fact.

Nice non-sequitur.