We Are All Spaniards

"Newps" wrote in message
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Talk to any grunt Private from the US Army home on leave and they will
tell you that every single average Iraqi is thrilled beyond belief that
we did this for them.

I'm sure they are after being on the **** end of the stick for so
long...but, as you said, those are the "average" (whats the Arab equivalent
for Joe Doaks??) people.

Learning to live under liberty as an independant and self-directed people is
not going to be easy, just as Eastern Europe is showing us now, over a dozen
years after the Soviet collapse. All too many there want to run home to
Mama.

I hope they can pull it off -- it might snowball through the region like
Europe did in the late 80's and early 90's.


Tom Sixkiller wrote:

"Tony Cox" wrote in message
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As for the Iraqis, they are 70% vs. 29%, which is a
statistic many of the moaners would do well to remember.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...wterr317 .xml

I wonder how many of those 29% were the ones who got bounced from their
positions of power and privilege?

in article , Tom Sixkiller at
wrote on 3/24/04 6:44 PM:


"Tony Cox" wrote in message
hlink.net...
As for the Iraqis, they are 70% vs. 29%, which is a
statistic many of the moaners would do well to remember.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...03%2F17%2Fwter
r317.xml

I wonder how many of those 29% were the ones who got bounced from their
positions of power and privilege?

I wonder how many of those 29% have lost a loved one in the current war?

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Tom Sixkiller at
wrote on 3/24/04 6:44 PM:


"Tony Cox" wrote in message
hlink.net...
As for the Iraqis, they are 70% vs. 29%, which is a
statistic many of the moaners would do well to remember.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...03%2F17%2Fwter
r317.xml

I wonder how many of those 29% were the ones who got bounced from their
positions of power and privilege?

I wonder how many of those 29% have lost a loved one in the current war?

How many of the 71% lost one BEFORE the war?

in article , Tom Sixkiller at
wrote on 3/24/04 7:14 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...
in article , Tom Sixkiller at
wrote on 3/24/04 6:44 PM:


"Tony Cox" wrote in message
hlink.net...
As for the Iraqis, they are 70% vs. 29%, which is a
statistic many of the moaners would do well to remember.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...03%2F17%2Fwter
r317.xml

I wonder how many of those 29% were the ones who got bounced from their
positions of power and privilege?

I wonder how many of those 29% have lost a loved one in the current war?

How many of the 71% lost one BEFORE the war?

I think the point here is that perhaps we shouldn't dismiss someone's
opinion based on information that we simply don't have. Remember the little
conversation we had about classifying opinions we disagree with as
"tantrums"?

I think that was Iraqis.

Paul

"Newps" wrote in message
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Last week I heard that 70% of the Brits approved of the war. Was this
in error?

Last week I heard that 70% of the Brits approved of the war. Was this
in error?

I think that was Iraqis.

NPR mentioned today that the Iraqi people have imported over half a million
new cars since the war's end -- the highest amount ever -- and they now face
a gasoline shortage for the first time. And oil exports have now rebounded
to a higher level than before the war, bringing over $1 billion per month
into the Iraqi treasury. .

Their economy is booming.

Of course, NPR mentioned this only in passing, with great reluctance. It
was almost like they were apologizing to their listeners for reporting
something good from Iraq. (They, of course, ended with reports of more
sabotage in the oil fields, just to placate the faithful...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article ed39c.101758$_w.1314500@attbi_s53, Jay Honeck wrote:
Of course, NPR mentioned this only in passing, with great reluctance. It
was almost like they were apologizing to their listeners for reporting
something good from Iraq. (They, of course, ended with reports of more
sabotage in the oil fields, just to placate the faithful...)

The BBC quite happily reports the improvements, as well as the bad
stuff.

For the record, I'm pro kicking-out-Saddam Hussein. I think many of the
anti-war lot seem to like to conveniently forget he actually used
weapons of mass destruction on his own people. I was appalled when we
didn't kick him out in the first war. What I don't like is how our
politicians - if not outright lied, were economic with the truth to try
and justify the war. I think the war would have enjoyed broader support
if politicians hadn't been such weasels over it. Although I support the
war, I don't support the way in which our politicians tried to justify
it.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
...
In article ed39c.101758$_w.1314500@attbi_s53, Jay Honeck wrote:
Of course, NPR mentioned this only in passing, with great reluctance.
It
was almost like they were apologizing to their listeners for reporting
something good from Iraq. (They, of course, ended with reports of more
sabotage in the oil fields, just to placate the faithful...)

The BBC quite happily reports the improvements, as well as the bad
stuff.

Absolute Bull****!!!

In article , Tom Sixkiller wrote:
The BBC quite happily reports the improvements, as well as the bad
stuff.

Absolute Bull****!!!

If that's absolute bull****, why did the PM programme on Radio 4 last
week have a substantial article on how things have improved in Iraq last
week? Why have they been mentioning improvements in the general life of
Iraqis, including interviews with people living there on several
occasions over the last few weeks?

You are clueless, I'm afraid.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

"John Harper" wrote in message
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Up until this thread, I always thought Jay was a decent guy.
I looked forward sometime to flying across the country and
staying at his hotel.

This thread has been an eye-openeer, and this particular mail
has finally prompted me to get to my keyboard. This is unbelievably
patronising. The former Spanish government took Spain into
a war against the expressed will of the Spanish people,

John, Spain is NOT a democracy where each issue is decided seperately.

just
as my government's country did (the United Kingdom). The purported
basis for the war has been demonstrated now to have been false.

Nope! Based on the bombing, it quite RIGHT.

The Spanish people have voted, in a democratic way, to remove
that government.

Their right...just like Germany voted in their choice in the 30's.


I know it's hard for quite a few Americans to accept it (evidently
including Jay), but just because the US government wants to do
something, doesn't mean that everyone in the whole world should
agree with them.

We don't ask the to agree with us and we certainly don't ask theri
PERMISSION.


Guess if I ever do come to Iowa City (not honestly very likely), I'll
be looking for another hotel.

FOAD.