We Are All Spaniards

Last week I heard that 70% of the Brits approved of the war. Was this
in error?



John Harper wrote:

Up until this thread, I always thought Jay was a decent guy.
I looked forward sometime to flying across the country and
staying at his hotel.

This thread has been an eye-openeer, and this particular mail
has finally prompted me to get to my keyboard. This is unbelievably
patronising. The former Spanish government took Spain into
a war against the expressed will of the Spanish people, just
as my government's country did (the United Kingdom). The purported
basis for the war has been demonstrated now to have been false.
The Spanish people have voted, in a democratic way, to remove
that government.

I know it's hard for quite a few Americans to accept it (evidently
including Jay), but just because the US government wants to do
something, doesn't mean that everyone in the whole world should
agree with them.

Guess if I ever do come to Iowa City (not honestly very likely), I'll
be looking for another hotel.

Yes. I don't know where you heard it (Fox maybe?) but it
absolutely is not the case. I can't recall exact figures from
a year ago, but there was always a majority of the country
against it. There was a brief blip just after the start of things
when the level of approval went up, before things started to
get ugly and the real long term problem became apparent.

John

"Newps" wrote in message
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Last week I heard that 70% of the Brits approved of the war. Was this
in error?



John Harper wrote:

Up until this thread, I always thought Jay was a decent guy.
I looked forward sometime to flying across the country and
staying at his hotel.

This thread has been an eye-openeer, and this particular mail
has finally prompted me to get to my keyboard. This is unbelievably
patronising. The former Spanish government took Spain into
a war against the expressed will of the Spanish people, just
as my government's country did (the United Kingdom). The purported
basis for the war has been demonstrated now to have been false.
The Spanish people have voted, in a democratic way, to remove
that government.

I know it's hard for quite a few Americans to accept it (evidently
including Jay), but just because the US government wants to do
something, doesn't mean that everyone in the whole world should
agree with them.

Guess if I ever do come to Iowa City (not honestly very likely), I'll
be looking for another hotel.

"Newps" wrote in message
news:Tfp8c.85877$_w.1145038@attbi_s53...
Last week I heard that 70% of the Brits approved of the war. Was this
in error?

Question for John is: Does it matter (to him)?



John Harper wrote:

"Newps" wrote in message
news:Tfp8c.85877$_w.1145038@attbi_s53...
Last week I heard that 70% of the Brits approved of the war. Was this
in error?

It is about 48% in favour, 43% against, as of Mar 16.
Not much different from what it is in the US.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...wstam216 .xml

As for the Iraqis, they are 70% vs. 29%, which is a
statistic many of the moaners would do well to remember.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...wterr317 .xml

"Tony Cox" wrote in message
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As for the Iraqis, they are 70% vs. 29%, which is a
statistic many of the moaners would do well to remember.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...wterr317 .xml

I wonder how many of those 29% were the ones who got bounced from their
positions of power and privilege?

Talk to any grunt Private from the US Army home on leave and they will
tell you that every single average Iraqi is thrilled beyond belief that
we did this for them.



Tom Sixkiller wrote:

"Tony Cox" wrote in message
hlink.net...

As for the Iraqis, they are 70% vs. 29%, which is a
statistic many of the moaners would do well to remember.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...wterr317 .xml

I wonder how many of those 29% were the ones who got bounced from their
positions of power and privilege?

"Newps" wrote in message
newsPr8c.86220$Cb.1140501@attbi_s51...
Talk to any grunt Private from the US Army home on leave and they will
tell you that every single average Iraqi is thrilled beyond belief that
we did this for them.

I'm sure they are after being on the **** end of the stick for so
long...but, as you said, those are the "average" (whats the Arab equivalent
for Joe Doaks??) people.

Learning to live under liberty as an independant and self-directed people is
not going to be easy, just as Eastern Europe is showing us now, over a dozen
years after the Soviet collapse. All too many there want to run home to
Mama.

I hope they can pull it off -- it might snowball through the region like
Europe did in the late 80's and early 90's.


Tom Sixkiller wrote:

"Tony Cox" wrote in message
hlink.net...

As for the Iraqis, they are 70% vs. 29%, which is a
statistic many of the moaners would do well to remember.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...wterr317 .xml

I wonder how many of those 29% were the ones who got bounced from their
positions of power and privilege?

in article , Tom Sixkiller at
wrote on 3/24/04 6:44 PM:


"Tony Cox" wrote in message
hlink.net...
As for the Iraqis, they are 70% vs. 29%, which is a
statistic many of the moaners would do well to remember.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...03%2F17%2Fwter
r317.xml

I wonder how many of those 29% were the ones who got bounced from their
positions of power and privilege?

I wonder how many of those 29% have lost a loved one in the current war?

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...
in article , Tom Sixkiller at
wrote on 3/24/04 6:44 PM:


"Tony Cox" wrote in message
hlink.net...
As for the Iraqis, they are 70% vs. 29%, which is a
statistic many of the moaners would do well to remember.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...03%2F17%2Fwter
r317.xml

I wonder how many of those 29% were the ones who got bounced from their
positions of power and privilege?

I wonder how many of those 29% have lost a loved one in the current war?

How many of the 71% lost one BEFORE the war?

in article , Tom Sixkiller at
wrote on 3/24/04 7:14 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...
in article , Tom Sixkiller at
wrote on 3/24/04 6:44 PM:


"Tony Cox" wrote in message
hlink.net...
As for the Iraqis, they are 70% vs. 29%, which is a
statistic many of the moaners would do well to remember.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...03%2F17%2Fwter
r317.xml

I wonder how many of those 29% were the ones who got bounced from their
positions of power and privilege?

I wonder how many of those 29% have lost a loved one in the current war?

How many of the 71% lost one BEFORE the war?

I think the point here is that perhaps we shouldn't dismiss someone's
opinion based on information that we simply don't have. Remember the little
conversation we had about classifying opinions we disagree with as
"tantrums"?