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Old May 20th 04, 04:30 AM
Snowbird
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Ernest Christley wrote in message . com...
No. I just assumed the old codgers liked their lawn mower engines and
are too senile to think for themselves any more. Just like you, Bob.


(No, I don't really think Lycomings are lawn mower engines, but I do
think Bob is senile.)


May I achieve Bob's years with his degree of senility. Not an
advanced degree I assure you

Bob status:
curmudgeonly Y (on occasion)
senility N

Cheers,
Sydney
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Old May 20th 04, 10:47 PM
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This has deteriorated into a lower deal than even I thought it would.
If BoB wants to fly behind a Lyc, a Continental or even a real real
aircraft engine-that is a PT-6 or a Screamin' 331 Garrett-hey, it's
his money. This is America. But if he's going to hang out and badmouth
those of us who would rather not we'll just killfile him.

I had no idea what killed Steve Wittman, I never said it was the
engine. It wasn't. He was a wealthy man-he would not have been able to
marry a woman 45 years his junior otherwise, I think-and he loved to
build, he could as easily have bought any GA airplane he wanted.

Dave Blanton had over 50 forced landings in his career and didn't
think they were that big a deal. When he started flying they weren't.
Wittman had as many or more. What's telling is that today, a good many
pilots don't survive their first one, and that's considered as normal.
That bothers me a lot. A mentality that is OK for turbine transports
and tactical jets with ejection seats is not OK for light aircraft.

We're not thinking too clearly here. There are two sensible
mentalities here for single-engine flying- the engine can't quit, or
that it can. The former was a proposition accepted by U-2 pilots over
Russia and the astronauts that flew the Apollo LM (and the CSM as
well-no TEI burn meant they'd die in lunar orbit), but they had
powerplants made to the limit of human endeavor at their respective
times. There is no goddamned way in Hell you can say that about
Lycoming and Continental today. They are admittedly made as cheaply as
the FAA will allow.

The other is, "the engine will quit". Sooner or later it will. So we
build an aircraft with some semblance of crashworthiness and also one
we think, in our best judgment, we-not Yeager or Armstrong or Engle-we
can put somewhere when it quits and walk out. We train with this idea,
maybe we get a sailplane rating, maybe we do like Dave says and
execute a few practice power off landings somewhere isolated and then
do it for real-an idea absolutely abhorrent to any time-building young
CFI. At least we think about it good and hard. Lycomings quit,
Continentals quit, even Pratts and Garretts and GE's and Rolls Royces
quit.
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Old May 21st 04, 02:07 PM
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Jim-Ed Browne wrote:
We're not thinking too clearly here. There are two sensible
mentalities here for single-engine flying- the engine can't quit, or
that it can. The former was a proposition accepted by U-2 pilots over
Russia


You are misinformed, sir. U2 pilots are thoroughly trained in airborne
restarts as it is a not-uncommon occurrence for the engine to flameout in
the rarefied atmosphere.

Russell Kent


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Old May 21st 04, 05:12 PM
Barnyard BOb -
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(Jim-Ed Browne) wrote:

This has deteriorated into a lower deal than even I thought it would.


First rule of holes....
QUIT DIGGING.

If BoB wants to fly behind a Lyc, a Continental or even a real real
aircraft engine-that is a PT-6 or a Screamin' 331 Garrett-hey, it's
his money.


Your ignorance and lack of experience/perspective is showing.
I would fly behind a turbine in a heartbeat if it made any sense at
all for my pocketbook and flying missions.

FYI -
My son is a senior gas turbine design engineer - P&W/GE

But if he's going to hang out and badmouth
those of us who would rather not we'll just killfile him.


balance of Jim-Ed Browne idiotic rant snipped

I've survived flukes like you for a goodly number of years here.
Many of the RAH regulars know me by sight and what I represent.
My life is an open_honest book_and everyone knows what I think of
them and where they stand... including you. I'm as loyal and solid
as the Rock of Gibraltar. Some appreciate me and others don't.
That's life.

As of this message, Jim-Ed Browne is killfiled.

-PLONK-


Barnyard BOb -
The more people I meet,
the more I love my dog...
and George Carlin humor.


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Old May 21st 04, 05:53 PM
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"Barnyard BOb -" wrote in message
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(Jim-Ed Browne) wrote:

This has deteriorated into a lower deal than even I thought it would.


First rule of holes....
QUIT DIGGING.

If BoB wants to fly behind a Lyc, a Continental or even a real real
aircraft engine-that is a PT-6 or a Screamin' 331 Garrett-hey, it's
his money.


Your ignorance and lack of experience/perspective is showing.
I would fly behind a turbine in a heartbeat if it made any sense at
all for my pocketbook and flying missions.

FYI -
My son is a yapyapyapyapyap ad nauseam.


As of this message, Jim-Ed Browne is killfiled.

-PLONK-


Which means you're also a sniveling little coward, like a geeky schoolboy
who hits from behind and runs, then hides behind the teacher's skirt-tails.
***********************

And aren't you the guy who said he went to get in his agplane one day and
the safety harness disintegrated and fell apart from UV rays and old age?


You remind me of the press...
dealing in half truths and ****ball innuendos.

[In other words, the answer to this question is YES. It's in the archives
if he hasn't erased it, which he has often done in order to escape detection
for dishonesty and hypocrisy.]
************************
"Barnyard BOb - longtime experimental builder and pilot"----- Longtime
windbag is more like it. You can be sure he has no expertise in engines,
has never worked on one, doesn't have a repairman's certificate even for the
homebuilt plane he flies.


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Old May 22nd 04, 05:37 AM
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Man, am I glad I'm not in here somewhere...

pac "reformed malcontent" plyer


" jls" wrote in message .. .
"Barnyard BOb -" wrote in message
...


(Jim-Ed Browne) wrote:

This has deteriorated into a lower deal than even I thought it would.


First rule of holes....
QUIT DIGGING.

If BoB wants to fly behind a Lyc, a Continental or even a real real
aircraft engine-that is a PT-6 or a Screamin' 331 Garrett-hey, it's
his money.


Your ignorance and lack of experience/perspective is showing.
I would fly behind a turbine in a heartbeat if it made any sense at
all for my pocketbook and flying missions.

FYI -
My son is a yapyapyapyapyap ad nauseam.


As of this message, Jim-Ed Browne is killfiled.

-PLONK-


Which means you're also a sniveling little coward, like a geeky schoolboy
who hits from behind and runs, then hides behind the teacher's skirt-tails.
***********************

And aren't you the guy who said he went to get in his agplane one day and
the safety harness disintegrated and fell apart from UV rays and old age?


You remind me of the press...
dealing in half truths and ****ball innuendos.

[In other words, the answer to this question is YES. It's in the archives
if he hasn't erased it, which he has often done in order to escape detection
for dishonesty and hypocrisy.]
************************
"Barnyard BOb - longtime experimental builder and pilot"----- Longtime
windbag is more like it. You can be sure he has no expertise in engines,
has never worked on one, doesn't have a repairman's certificate even for the
homebuilt plane he flies.

 




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