Using the magenta circles

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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Those circles aren't to keep VFR pilots safe when the weather is
marginal.
They are to lower the floor of controlled airspace for the benefit of
IFR
pilots.

This accomplishes two things:
1. Allows ATC to provide control to lower altitudes, primarily
separation from other IFR aircraft.
2. Makes sure any there is sufficient visibility / cloud clearance
for visual separation techniques to be used between any
VFR aircraft that might be present.


Changing weather has no effect on the floor of controlled airspace.


There he goes again...

But I did not think he said anything about changing the floor of the
airspace for weather, he stated that the lower floor provides transistions
for IFR pilots to get close to the airport, and CLEAR OF VFR traffic in
marginal weather, that should be remaining in Class G and not Class E where
the approach may dump them off.

BT

"BTIZ" wrote in message
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But I did not think he said anything about changing the floor of the
airspace for weather, he stated that the lower floor provides transistions
for IFR pilots to get close to the airport, and CLEAR OF VFR traffic in
marginal weather, that should be remaining in Class G and not Class E
where
the approach may dump them off.


He said; "Those circles aren't to keep VFR pilots safe when the weather is
marginal. They are to lower the floor of controlled airspace for the
benefit of IFR pilots."

Exactly.

Even I knew what he said as well as what he meant.

mike regish

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"BTIZ" wrote in message
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But I did not think he said anything about changing the floor of the
airspace for weather, he stated that the lower floor provides
transistions
for IFR pilots to get close to the airport, and CLEAR OF VFR traffic in
marginal weather, that should be remaining in Class G and not Class E
where
the approach may dump them off.


He said; "Those circles aren't to keep VFR pilots safe when the weather is
marginal. They are to lower the floor of controlled airspace for the
benefit of IFR pilots."

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message nk.net...

"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:vJqbc.69606$1I5.24219@fed1read01...

But I did not think he said anything about changing the floor of the
airspace for weather, he stated that the lower floor provides transistions
for IFR pilots to get close to the airport, and CLEAR OF VFR traffic in
marginal weather, that should be remaining in Class G and not Class E
where
the approach may dump them off.


He said; "Those circles aren't to keep VFR pilots safe when the weather is
marginal. They are to lower the floor of controlled airspace for the
benefit of IFR pilots."


Correct. The transition area lowers the floor of controlled airspace. I never
said it had anything to do with changing weather conditions. The first sentence
was to refute the hypothesis of the original poster.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

Correct. The transition area lowers the floor of controlled airspace.


The floor of controlled airspace is fixed.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net...

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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Correct. The transition area lowers the floor of controlled airspace.


The floor of controlled airspace is fixed.

The transition area floor is LOWER than it would be if there were no transition area.
It's a local dropping of the controlled airspace floor from 1200 (typically) to 700.

Everybody else seems to understand what I'm saying except for you. Stop and try
to think about the real issue rather than trying to generate as much confusion as possible.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

The transition area floor is LOWER than it would be if there were
no transition area. It's a local dropping of the controlled airspace
floor from 1200 (typically) to 700.


Correct.



Everybody else seems to understand what I'm saying except for
you. Stop and try to think about the real issue rather than trying
to generate as much confusion as possible.


I understand you didn't intend to imply the floor of controlled airspace
varied with weather or type of operation. If you put more thought into your
writing you'll generate less confusion.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message om...
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message nk.net...

"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:vJqbc.69606$1I5.24219@fed1read01...

But I did not think he said anything about changing the floor of the
airspace for weather, he stated that the lower floor provides transistions
for IFR pilots to get close to the airport, and CLEAR OF VFR traffic in
marginal weather, that should be remaining in Class G and not Class E
where
the approach may dump them off.


He said; "Those circles aren't to keep VFR pilots safe when the weather is
marginal. They are to lower the floor of controlled airspace for the
benefit of IFR pilots."


Correct. The transition area lowers the floor of controlled airspace. I never
said it had anything to do with changing weather conditions. The first sentence
was to refute the hypothesis of the original poster.


As the original poster, the only thing that can even be close to a
hypothesis is my suspicion that VFR pilots take advantage of the Class
E/G boundary by shooting T&Gs below 700 feet AGL. How does that first
sentence "refute" that?

And, for the record, the purpose of my post was to find out if anyone
actually made use of the information conveyed by the magenta circles,
or if most people found them as useless as I do.

And, for the record, the purpose of my post was to find out if anyone
actually made use of the information conveyed by the magenta circles,
or if most people found them as useless as I do.

Well, I am conscious that if I were ever scud-running home, I would
have to get down to an uncomfortable altitude once I got within xx
miles of my home airport. That would incline me to land elsewhere, in
the unlikely event that I hadn't done so already.

That would be making use of the information, wouldn't it?


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