Forgot to close flight plan

"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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So, at least in somebody's mind, an alarm went off at 5:34. No?
Otherwise
there is nothing special about the two minutes afterwards, and no search
would
be initiated.

AFAIK, the search & rescue aspect is the same for IFR and VFR. ATC has
nothing to do with it, except that when an IFR flight arrives at a towered
airport, the controller contacts the FSS (who is the entity waiting for the
"timer to go off") to close the IFR flight plan on the pilot's behalf.

That is, unless what you mean is that a search begins any time a handoff
fails
under IFR.

AFAIK, a failed handoff doesn't *automatically* start a search. ATC may in
fact prompt a search to begin if the loss of communications is accompanied
by some other evidence that there was an accident. Otherwise, normal lost
comm procedures would prevail, which basically just mean ATC clears the
route filed and/or cleared. Thirty minutes after the filed arrival time, if
the aircraft hasn't shown up and the FSS hasn't been told to close the
flight plan, *then* search & rescue would begin.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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AFAIK, the search & rescue aspect is the same for IFR and VFR.
ATC has nothing to do with it, except that when an IFR flight arrives
at a towered airport, the controller contacts the FSS (who is the
entity waiting for the "timer to go off") to close the IFR flight plan
on the pilot's behalf.


That's not correct. When an IFR flight arrives at a towered airport, the
controller contacts nobody, for there's nobody to contact. FSS is not an
entity waiting for any "timer to go off" to close an IFR flight plan. When
an IFR flight arrives at a nontowered airport, the pilot either contacts ATC
directly or has FSS contact ATC for him. FSS just relays the message, they
do not close the flight plan.

Peter Duniho wrote:


AFAIK, the search & rescue aspect is the same for IFR and VFR. ATC has
nothing to do with it, except that when an IFR flight arrives at a towered
airport, the controller contacts the FSS (who is the entity waiting for the
"timer to go off") to close the IFR flight plan on the pilot's behalf.

That's funny, a tower calling FSS to cancel an IFR flight plan.

"Newps" wrote in message
news:zNIdc.2628$rg5.27162@attbi_s52...
That's funny, a tower calling FSS to cancel an IFR flight plan.

It's only funny to an asshole who takes pleasure in laughing at other people
who don't know the inner workings of job functions for which they have no
need to know the inner workings.

Most likely, neither you nor Steve would know answers to these sorts of
questions if it weren't for the fact that you are controllers and being able
to do your job, and the FAA, require you to know the answers. I know you
don't care that you both come across as big honking jerks when you
criticize, make fun of, and otherwise belittle folks when you could instead
simply provide the actual answers to questions being asked. But the fact
remains that you do.

Now to me, THAT is funny. To each his own, I guess.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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It's only funny to an asshole who takes pleasure in laughing at
other people who don't know the inner workings of job functions
for which they have no need to know the inner workings.


So if you don't know the inner workings of job functions for which you have
no need to know the inner workings, why do you post on the inner workings of
these job functions?