Ramp checked at AVP today

Cub Driver wrote:

The argument goes that it makes it easy for them to check the ID of the plane without
having to enter the plane and it's more difficult to falsify than the painted
N-numbers.


Oh! You mean the *data plate*?

But haven't they been on airplanes all along?

Most, not all planes. Now they all have to be in the same spot. Pilots
side on the fuselage just in fron of the tail.

Most, not all planes. Now they all have to be in the same spot. Pilots
side on the fuselage just in fron of the tail.

That's pretty funny. I wonder how many DEA guys know that the pilot's
side in a J-3 is the port side?

(What about the PA-22? The pilot sits on the left but enters and
leaves on the right?)

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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:37:05 -0400, Cub Driver
wrote:

I wonder how many DEA guys know that the pilot's
side in a J-3 is the port side?

Argh! STARBOARD. (At least he enters and exits on the right.)


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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:37:05 -0400, Cub Driver
wrote:

I wonder how many DEA guys know that the pilot's
side in a J-3 is the port side?

Argh! STARBOARD. (At least he enters and exits on the right.)


all the best -- Dan Ford
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A simple line my instuctor told me made this easy to remember,

"Port wine is RED and you always pour from the LEFT"

Marty

Marty wrote:

A simple line my instuctor told me made this easy to remember,

"Port wine is RED and you always pour from the LEFT"

Many years ago at summer camp while learning to sail, I learned "PORT
and LEFT have four letters."


--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote in message
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Marty wrote:

A simple line my instuctor told me made this easy to remember,

"Port wine is RED and you always pour from the LEFT"

Many years ago at summer camp while learning to sail, I learned "PORT
and LEFT have four letters."


Port Out Starboard Home. This referred to the best cabins on the ships to
India from England. The POSH cabins were the cooler ones and attracted a
premium fare.

This lead to the introduction of the word POSH for anything uppercrustish or
better than the norm.

I wonder how many pilots know where the port side or the starboard side is?

Are we flying airplanes or boats?

PJ

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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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That's pretty funny. I wonder how many DEA guys know that the pilot's
side in a J-3 is the port side?

Easy way to remember. Take the three pairs of words:
left, right
port, starboard
red, green

The shorter words go together, and the longer words go together. You could
probably add:
pilot, passenger (or pilot, instructor)

-- David Brooks

"PJ Hunt" wrote in message
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I wonder how many pilots know where the port side or the starboard side
is?

Are we flying airplanes or boats?

PJ

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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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That's pretty funny. I wonder how many DEA guys know that the pilot's
side in a J-3 is the port side?

David Brooks wrote:
Easy way to remember. Take the three pairs of words:
left, right
port, starboard
red, green

The shorter words go together, and the longer words go together. You could
probably add:
pilot, passenger (or pilot, instructor)

Alternatively:
"Red" and "Right" both start with the same letter. It would sort of
make sense for them to be the same side. Since we're dealing with the
FAA, we can't have *that* sort of logic running around, so switch 'em.

Ditto with the cruising altitudes: "east" and "even" thousands...same
letter...nah, can't be. Swap 'em.

There are a few more that can be worked out that way, but I don't
remember them offhand. Just remember: if it makes sense, it's probably
*not* done by the FAA.

--Dave

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Dave Buckles

http://www.flight-instruction.com

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Alternatively:
"Red" and "Right" both start with the same letter. It would sort of
make sense for them to be the same side. Since we're dealing with the
FAA, we can't have *that* sort of logic running around, so switch 'em.

The FAA didn't decide on navigation lights. The red light is on the left,
because the vessel (aircraft, in this case) to the right has the right of
way. The red light shows the other vessel, to the left, that they don't
have the right of way.

Not that starting the words with the same letter is in any way a sensible
way to decide things like this anyway. Navigation lights are used on
aircraft all over the world, and probably for every language in which the
color starts with the same letter as the side, there's another language in
which the other color starts with the same letter as the side.

If blaming it on the FAA helps you to remember, I suppose that's fine. Not
all mnemonics are logical, just memorable. But don't make the mistake of
believing that it's actually the FAA's fault.

Ditto with the cruising altitudes: "east" and "even" thousands...same
letter...nah, can't be. Swap 'em.

I'm not sure where the cruising altitudes came from, but again, making
decisions based on coincidences of language seems wrong-headed to me.
Remembering that it's the opposite is a great way to remember which is
which, but blaming the FAA for assigned the altitudes in a way that doesn't
make sense is again illogical.

There are a few more that can be worked out that way, but I don't
remember them offhand.

I guess they aren't actually good mnemonics then, since the point of a
mnemonic is to help you remember something.

Just remember: if it makes sense, it's probably
*not* done by the FAA.

IMHO, most things the FAA does DO make sense, once you find out the true
motiviation behind the things that they do. They aren't perfect, but
neither do they deserve the rampant disdain that saying things like "if it
makes sense, it's probably *not* done by the FAA" promotes. Also IMHO, it's
only made worse when a flight instructor says stuff like that. I wonder if
you instill the same disrespect for the FAA in your students. That sort of
thing is what leads to the "anti-authority" attitude.

Pete