Another Cirrus BRS deployment:

It's my understanding that ejection seats aren't allowed on civil aircraft
because the pyrotechnics used are illegal for civillians to own. They're
considered controlled military munitions.

Dave Reinhart


Richard Kaplan wrote:

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...

I don't understand this. We're talking about a life-saving device, people
start using it and some here actually suggest those pilots weren't macho
enough to try to get out of their emergency without being a sissy and
pulling
the chute? This is unbelievable. "Real men don't use chutes"? What BS!

Why do you suppose ejection seats are not permitted on civilian airplanes?
They would be life-saving, too.

The problem is coming to a happy medium. If the chute were to be pulled in
ANY emergency then the airplane would become impractical because there would
be too many damaged airframes, albeit no injuries. The question is WHERE
does one draw the line at when to pull the chute? There are some agreed-upon
situations but also some grey areas.

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Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:08:04 GMT, David Reinhart
wrote:

It's my understanding that ejection seats aren't allowed on civil aircraft
because the pyrotechnics used are illegal for civillians to own. They're
considered controlled military munitions.

Can the fact that ejection seats weigh something like 600 lb each have
anything to do with their not being used in GA aircraft?

Privately owned aircraft can have working ejection seats, though.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

David

The seat I ejected in was powered by a 37 mm artillery shell (

Used to keep one on my desk as a curio )


Big John


On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:08:04 GMT, David Reinhart
wrote:

It's my understanding that ejection seats aren't allowed on civil aircraft
because the pyrotechnics used are illegal for civillians to own. They're
considered controlled military munitions.

Dave Reinhart


Richard Kaplan wrote:

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...

I don't understand this. We're talking about a life-saving device, people
start using it and some here actually suggest those pilots weren't macho
enough to try to get out of their emergency without being a sissy and
pulling
the chute? This is unbelievable. "Real men don't use chutes"? What BS!

Why do you suppose ejection seats are not permitted on civilian airplanes?
They would be life-saving, too.

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David Reinhart wrote:

It's my understanding that ejection seats aren't allowed on civil aircraft
because the pyrotechnics used are illegal for civillians to own. They're
considered controlled military munitions.

It's possible for private citizens to obtain permits to own military munitions.
They're classed as "destructive devices" and controlled by BATF.

George Patterson
This marriage is off to a shaky start. The groom just asked the band to
play "Your cheatin' heart", and the bride just requested "Don't come home
a'drinkin' with lovin' on your mind".

The problem with the report I read is that the cause of the "out of
control" situation was not apparent. Was it a gust of wind?
Turbulence? Pilot error? Did a wing fall off?

If someone uses a parachute to save a plane when the mixture was
pulled out or a tank ran dry, then the parachute is a crutch for pilot
error.

Get the facts on this incident and we can discuss it better.

Ron Lee


You are correct that the parachute SHOULD only be used in those situations;
whether that turns out to be so in practice is unknown at present.


I don't understand this. We're talking about a life-saving device, people
start using it and some here actually suggest those pilots weren't macho
enough to try to get out of their emergency without being a sissy and pulling
the chute? This is unbelievable. "Real men don't use chutes"? What BS!

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...
The problem with the report I read is that the cause of the "out of
control" situation was not apparent. Was it a gust of wind?
Turbulence? Pilot error? Did a wing fall off?

If someone uses a parachute to save a plane when the mixture was
pulled out or a tank ran dry, then the parachute is a crutch for pilot
error.

A crutch (or a safety net) that leads to complacency and inordinante
risk-taking.

Tom,

A crutch (or a safety net) that leads to complacency and inordinante
risk-taking.


And I'm sure this bold statement can be supported by the numbers, can
it?

Jeeze, what is it with pilots and change? Anything new in GA is
bad-mouthed here - while at the same time everybody and his brother
complains about the old technology we have to use. You can't have it
both ways.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)