Ramp checked at AVP today

vincent p. norris wrote in message . ..
Again, you DO clearly need current IFR charts --

Although I can't imagine setting off on an IFR flight without a
current IFR chart, it is not requried to have ANY chart on an IFR
flight! If you get to your destination without a problem fine.

If you cause a problem, though, you'll have some explaining to do.

vince norris

Maybe from a literal reading context under part 91. But the
individual ops specs of FAR135 or FAR121 will specifiy what pubs
crewmembers must carry. But still Vince, I just can't buy this even
under part 91. The careless and reckless part of the regs will always
be applicable. And the FAA may require an IFR proficiency check on
your ass. If you show up without charts the check is over before it
even starts.

I once was jumpseating on an MD-11 from HKG to OAK. The Captain felt
that way and just decided that he'd use the F/O's Jepps that trip so
he left his at home(what an asshole.) Anyway the co-pilot pulls out
his STAR that ATC just cleared him on and sets it on the center
pedastal in front of the thrust levers so that both pilots could see
the arrival. We didn't see it happen, but I've witnessed this befo
It just disappeared! Suction from avionics fans probably slurpped it
down the crack! I made the mistake of telling the captain about this
possibility as he was blaming the F/O for losing it. The Capt then
asks me to tear up the floor hatch behind him and go down in the "hell
hole" and look for it. That was the end of my white shirt! About
like an MIR space station EVA. Took a couple of minutes hanging
upside down just to look for the damned avionics bay light switch down
there. Then it was a real snake act to get my fat body through the
tiny hole and traverse over up under the center cockpit. Never did
find it.

Moral of the story: carry your ****ing charts, dammit!

pacplyer - out