the Pinckneyville Gathering of the ILK

Dave S wrote in message ink.net...
Snowbird wrote:
SNIP

Notable by their absence were Nauga's RV-4 (a loud raspberry
to St Louis FSDO for not granting him a waiver),

Pardon my ignorance.. but waiver for WHAT?

Waiver to fly his experimental, amateur built aircraft outside
its designated test flight area during its 40 hr test flight
period

S

Is such a waiver 1) common? 2) appropriate?

I mean.. take a week of vacation and go burn some gas!!

Dave

Snowbird wrote:

Dave S wrote in message ink.net...

Snowbird wrote:
SNIP


Notable by their absence were Nauga's RV-4 (a loud raspberry
to St Louis FSDO for not granting him a waiver),


Pardon my ignorance.. but waiver for WHAT?


Waiver to fly his experimental, amateur built aircraft outside
its designated test flight area during its 40 hr test flight
period

S

Dave S wrote in message ink.net...
Is such a waiver 1) common? 2) appropriate?

As I understand it, they are common at some FSDOs. For a
well-proven design which is progressing well in its flight
testing, it doesn't seem like a big issue to let the plane
fly over some farmland to visit another mechanic or qualified
pilot or some such.

I mean.. take a week of vacation and go burn some gas!!

Not being Dave, I can't comment on the constraints of his
personal situation.

I will, however, congratulate you on having some combination
of 1) ample vacation time 2) understanding family and 3)
low-pressure job, which would not only allow you to take
your own advice, but keeps you from being able to see that
perhaps "one size doesn't fit all" here.

Cheers,
Sydney

On 24 May 2004 13:42:35 -0700,
(Snowbird) wrote:

Dave S wrote in message ink.net...
Is such a waiver 1) common? 2) appropriate?

As I understand it, they are common at some FSDOs. For a
well-proven design which is progressing well in its flight
testing, it doesn't seem like a big issue to let the plane
fly over some farmland to visit another mechanic or qualified
pilot or some such.

I mean.. take a week of vacation and go burn some gas!!

Not being Dave, I can't comment on the constraints of his
personal situation.

I will, however, congratulate you on having some combination
of 1) ample vacation time 2) understanding family and 3)
low-pressure job, which would not only allow you to take
your own advice, but keeps you from being able to see that
perhaps "one size doesn't fit all" here.

Cheers,
Sydney

You REALLY haven't changed, have you Snowbird... Still the
smart assed know-it-all...

John

"John Ammeter" wrote

You REALLY haven't changed, have you Snowbird... Still the
smart assed know-it-all...

John

I too, thought the previous poster's reply a bit presumptuous, when telling
someone else to take a week off, and burn some gas.

It was well deserving a smart ass response.

If you were complementing snowbird, then, "nevermind" g
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In Morgans wrote:

"John Ammeter" wrote

You REALLY haven't changed, have you Snowbird... Still the
smart assed know-it-all...

John

I too, thought the previous poster's reply a bit presumptuous, when
telling someone else to take a week off, and burn some gas.

It was well deserving a smart ass response.

If you were complementing snowbird, then, "nevermind" g

Ditto. I didn't find Snowbird's comments to be out of line at all.

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Del Rawlins wrote:

Ditto. I didn't find Snowbird's comments to be out of line at all.

Oh come on folks..... Look at the calender.

What week is it....??????

Pinckneyville weekend...... Does that not ring a bell.

Here you have Mr Ammeter the good loyal friend of YOU KNOW WHO.

And in a childish, petty, snotty manner, as usual, some of the
close buddies of YOU KNOW WHO just can't imagine that a group
of people could enjoy the camaraderie of the Pinckneyville weekend
without their presence.

So is it not expected that just a few days after the Pinckneyville
flyin that someone close to YOU KNOW WHO would slime out of the
woodwork and take a swipe at YOU KNOW WHO's favourite whipping girl.

It's unfortunate that this is the best that Mr. Ammeter is capable of.

As a general lurker I can't remember the last time that Mr. Ammeter
came into this group and shared a flying story or building experience
with the group.

Can anyone....???????

I didnt really take offense at all, being the previous poster. I must
admit that yea, I may have been a little short sighted, but I guess I
was looking in the context that if my goal was to get the aircraft to
Pickneyville then I would have made (or attempted) to make it happen if
it was safe to do so..

Yea.. its assuming, and presumptuous.. and I dont have a problem with
someone directly rebutting me

Dave

Morgans wrote:
"John Ammeter" wrote

You REALLY haven't changed, have you Snowbird... Still the
smart assed know-it-all...

John


I too, thought the previous poster's reply a bit presumptuous, when telling
someone else to take a week off, and burn some gas.

It was well deserving a smart ass response.

If you were complementing snowbird, then, "nevermind" g

Dave S wrote...

...I guess I was looking in the context that if my
goal was to get the aircraft to Pickneyville then
I would have made (or attempted) to make it happen if
it was safe to do so..

No offense taken. I had planned to have the hours
flown off in time for Pinckneyville, but a lot
has happened in the past few months and I haven't
been able to work on the airplane or fly it very
often. Right now my main priority is to get the
bugs worked out so I can ferry it to California
in June or July. What testing I have done has
been uneventful, and I should be able to get much
more time on it in the next few weeks. Attending PJY
was a luxury given my time constraints, but one
I wouldn't miss unless chained down.

One of the highlights of *my* Pinckneyville
experience was spending about 20 minutes on the
phone with Uncle Bob trying to soak up as much
as I could about flying RV's. I wish I'd taken notes.
There was also a *gorgeous* -4 that came over
from Carbondale, I picked the builder's brain
for a while and kept him and his son much later than
they really wanted to stay, I think.

Dave 'get this guy away from me!' Hyde

Dave S wrote in message link.net...
I didnt really take offense at all, being the previous poster. I must
admit that yea, I may have been a little short sighted, but I guess I
was looking in the context that if my goal was to get the aircraft to
Pickneyville then I would have made (or attempted) to make it happen if
it was safe to do so..

Yea.. its assuming, and presumptuous.. and I dont have a problem with
someone directly rebutting me

I'm glad you weren't offended, as that wasn't the intent.

I'm privledged to know Dave and to witness some of the early flights
of his plane, and I happen to know some of the constraints he's working
under (which are NOMB to discuss), which kept the attempts from full
success.

Most of us have multiple goals and we have to fight to balance them
out.

It's a beautiful plane, and well worth waiting for. And we at PJY got
to see another RV4, truly a gorgeous one, too.

Cheers,
Sydney