Pilot's Political Orientation

in article , C J Campbell at
wrote on 4/17/04 11:37 AM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...


People still buy cigarettes.... How can anyone possibly explain why vast
numbers of people will continue to buy something that burns their mouths
and
lungs, makes the eyes sting, smells bad, makes food taste bad, is likely
to
burn themselves, their friends, and their possessions, and is deadly
poisonous to boot, and even claim that they 'enjoy' it? Perhaps
liberalism
is to politics what tobacco is to recreation.

Maybe JFK was right after all, when he claimed that he was a jelly
doughnut.
:-)

Okay, I was gonna stay out of this, but since people are comparing
liberalism to poison, cigarettes and other cancerous substances, it may be
time to remind everyone that our country was founded on some quite liberal
principles. Thomas Jefferson would likely be appalled to hear liberalism
likened to "poison".


Some people have no sense of humor. :-(

All right, you want to play it that way, Thomas Jefferson would likely be
appalled to hear what modern day liberalism espouses (socialism,
restrictions on freedom of speech on campus and in the press, restrictions
on the right to bear arms, restrictions on the right to practice your
religion, racial quotas, seizure of personal property for public use without
compensation, abandonment of morals, restrictions on campaign advertising
and financing, etc.). Thomas Jefferson liberals are what we call
conservatives nowadays.

Nonsense. If a free-thinking humanist like Jefferson were around today,
espousing things like the separation of church and state and the importance
of public education (which he all but invented), you'd probably dismiss him
as a left-wing whacko.

Most liberals hate Jefferson

I don't suppose you've got the slightest data to back up this assertion, do
you?

and tar his reputation and his principles
whenever they can. Modern day liberals portray Jefferson as an oppressive
white slave owner and rapist, an establishment figure tied to big money and
corrupt politics. If Jefferson is mentioned in public schools at all, it is
to highlight the shameful and oppressive past of the white male dictators
that established the United States. That is all most modern grade school
kids know about Jefferson.

This must be a relatively recent develepment, because I for one can't recall
ever being taught any such thing. You're basically just making this up,
aren't you?

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...
in article , C J Campbell at
wrote on 4/17/04 11:37 AM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...


People still buy cigarettes.... How can anyone possibly explain why
vast
numbers of people will continue to buy something that burns their
mouths
and
lungs, makes the eyes sting, smells bad, makes food taste bad, is
likely
to
burn themselves, their friends, and their possessions, and is deadly
poisonous to boot, and even claim that they 'enjoy' it? Perhaps
liberalism
is to politics what tobacco is to recreation.

Maybe JFK was right after all, when he claimed that he was a jelly
doughnut.
:-)

Okay, I was gonna stay out of this, but since people are comparing
liberalism to poison, cigarettes and other cancerous substances, it may
be
time to remind everyone that our country was founded on some quite
liberal
principles. Thomas Jefferson would likely be appalled to hear
liberalism
likened to "poison".


Some people have no sense of humor. :-(

All right, you want to play it that way, Thomas Jefferson would likely
be
appalled to hear what modern day liberalism espouses (socialism,
restrictions on freedom of speech on campus and in the press,
restrictions
on the right to bear arms, restrictions on the right to practice your
religion, racial quotas, seizure of personal property for public use
without
compensation, abandonment of morals, restrictions on campaign
advertising
and financing, etc.). Thomas Jefferson liberals are what we call
conservatives nowadays.

Nonsense. If a free-thinking humanist like Jefferson were around today,
espousing things like the separation of church and state and the
importance
of public education (which he all but invented), you'd probably dismiss
him
as a left-wing whacko.

Most liberals hate Jefferson

I don't suppose you've got the slightest data to back up this assertion,
do
you?

and tar his reputation and his principles
whenever they can. Modern day liberals portray Jefferson as an
oppressive
white slave owner and rapist, an establishment figure tied to big money
and
corrupt politics. If Jefferson is mentioned in public schools at all, it
is
to highlight the shameful and oppressive past of the white male
dictators
that established the United States. That is all most modern grade school
kids know about Jefferson.

This must be a relatively recent develepment, because I for one can't
recall
ever being taught any such thing. You're basically just making this up,
aren't you?

You obviously have no idea what is being taught in the liberal run education
system in this country.

in article , Dave Stadt at
wrote on 4/17/04 7:11 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...
in article , C J Campbell at
wrote on 4/17/04 11:37 AM:

If Jefferson is mentioned in public schools at all, it
is
to highlight the shameful and oppressive past of the white male
dictators
that established the United States. That is all most modern grade school
kids know about Jefferson.

This must be a relatively recent develepment, because I for one can't
recall
ever being taught any such thing. You're basically just making this up,
aren't you?

You obviously have no idea what is being taught in the liberal run education
system in this country.

"If Jefferson is mentioned in public schools at all, it is to highlight the
shameful and oppressive past of the white male dictators that established
the United States. That is all most modern grade school kids know about
Jefferson."

Would anyone care to cite some proof of the above statement?

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...
in article , Dave Stadt at
wrote on 4/17/04 7:11 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...
in article , C J Campbell at
wrote on 4/17/04 11:37 AM:

If Jefferson is mentioned in public schools at all, it
is
to highlight the shameful and oppressive past of the white male
dictators
that established the United States. That is all most modern grade
school
kids know about Jefferson.

This must be a relatively recent develepment, because I for one can't
recall
ever being taught any such thing. You're basically just making this up,
aren't you?

You obviously have no idea what is being taught in the liberal run
education
system in this country.

"If Jefferson is mentioned in public schools at all, it is to highlight
the
shameful and oppressive past of the white male dictators that established
the United States. That is all most modern grade school kids know about
Jefferson."

Would anyone care to cite some proof of the above statement?


Head over to your local Jr/Sr high school history department and see for
yourself.........

in article , Joe Young at
wrote on 4/18/04 4:36 AM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...
in article , Dave Stadt at
wrote on 4/17/04 7:11 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...
in article , C J Campbell at
wrote on 4/17/04 11:37 AM:

If Jefferson is mentioned in public schools at all, it
is
to highlight the shameful and oppressive past of the white male
dictators
that established the United States. That is all most modern grade
school
kids know about Jefferson.

This must be a relatively recent develepment, because I for one can't
recall
ever being taught any such thing. You're basically just making this up,
aren't you?

You obviously have no idea what is being taught in the liberal run
education
system in this country.

"If Jefferson is mentioned in public schools at all, it is to highlight
the
shameful and oppressive past of the white male dictators that established
the United States. That is all most modern grade school kids know about
Jefferson."

Would anyone care to cite some proof of the above statement?


Head over to your local Jr/Sr high school history department and see for
yourself.........

Sorry, that's anecdotal evidence, not proof (actually, it's not even
anecdotal evidence, since you offered no experiences of your own).

"SNIP"

Head over to your local Jr/Sr high school history department and see for
yourself.........

Sorry, that's anecdotal evidence, not proof (actually, it's not even
anecdotal evidence, since you offered no experiences of your own).


Let see...the alternative are for you to experience what is going on in my
kids classroom through me...or actually take the time to find out first hand
in your own locale. Granted the latter may take a bit more effort on your
part...but that was the point. I think most people would be surprised how
the curriculum has changed over the past couple of decades

in article , Joe Young at
wrote on 4/18/04 8:54 AM:

"SNIP"

Head over to your local Jr/Sr high school history department and see for
yourself.........

Sorry, that's anecdotal evidence, not proof (actually, it's not even
anecdotal evidence, since you offered no experiences of your own).


Let see...the alternative are for you to experience what is going on in my
kids classroom through me

Okay, so you're a teacher. Please give some examples of your students being
taught at your school that Thomas Jefferson was a horrible guy.

...or actually take the time to find out first hand
in your own locale. Granted the latter may take a bit more effort on your
part...but that was the point. I think most people would be surprised how
the curriculum has changed over the past couple of decades

Okay, so show me the curriculum.

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...
in article , Joe Young at
wrote on 4/18/04 4:36 AM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...
in article , Dave Stadt at
wrote on 4/17/04 7:11 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
...
in article , C J Campbell at
wrote on 4/17/04 11:37 AM:

If Jefferson is mentioned in public schools at all, it
is
to highlight the shameful and oppressive past of the white male
dictators
that established the United States. That is all most modern grade
school
kids know about Jefferson.

This must be a relatively recent develepment, because I for one can't
recall
ever being taught any such thing. You're basically just making this
up,
aren't you?

You obviously have no idea what is being taught in the liberal run
education
system in this country.

"If Jefferson is mentioned in public schools at all, it is to highlight
the
shameful and oppressive past of the white male dictators that
established
the United States. That is all most modern grade school kids know about
Jefferson."

Would anyone care to cite some proof of the above statement?


Head over to your local Jr/Sr high school history department and see for
yourself.........

Sorry, that's anecdotal evidence, not proof (actually, it's not even
anecdotal evidence, since you offered no experiences of your own).

Go talk to a school teacher.

Dave Stadt wrote:

You obviously have no idea what is being taught in the liberal run
education

system in this country.

The great shield of both the left and the right - rely on slogans and
avoid
anything that might smack of a fact. Facts have a couple of unnerving
habits -
they can be verified or disproven, and they are neutral. By themselves they
don't favor either side of the argument - this only happens when they are
"interpreted".

Rich Lemert