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Old April 18th 04, 02:04 AM
Steven P. McNicoll
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"darwin smith" wrote in message
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It was a question asked in such a way as to imply that the "answer"
was completely
obvious - there is no fight against gay marraige.


There isn't. Gays marry regularly and have done so for quite some time.



I therefore treated
the comment as
a statement being expressed in the form of a rhetorical question.

Now, I would guess that to you the answer to your "question" is
perfectly obvious -
there is no fight against gay marriage. If this is so, then could you
please explain to me
why the Republican efforts in Massachussetts to ban same-sex unions, and
"Bush the
Lesser's" proposed constitutional amendment are not "fights against gay
marriage"/


Gay marriage is not the same as same-sex marriage.



I disagree, obviously, but as I say below I can understand your view.


All abortion procedures performed today cause the deliberate death of the
child. That is murder by any reasonable definition.



Even when there is no exception to save the life of the mother?

By the way, I see that you didn't bother to address my comments about
birth control,
sex education, and generally being around when Suzy really needs the
help. Let me
know when you're ready and willing to discuss the _complete_ topic of
abortion,
and have moved beyond just casting judgement on those who happen to

disagree
with you.


Those things are not abortion procedures. We were discussing abortion
procedures.


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Old April 18th 04, 02:46 PM
Martin Hotze
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:04:02 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:


Gay marriage is not the same as same-sex marriage.


so, what is the difference, then?

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Old April 18th 04, 10:39 PM
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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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so, what is the difference, then?


Marriage is the union of a man and woman as husband and wife. When at least
one of the persons is gay you have a gay marriage. Same-sex marriage cannot
exist because marriage, by definition, requires persons of opposite sex.


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Old April 19th 04, 02:00 AM
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Marriage is the union of a man and woman as husband and wife.


Who are you to define "marriage" thusly? Other cultures and religions
define it quite differently. You've failed to account for polygamy,
polyandry, group marriage, serial marriage, and probably other forms of
this particular institution with which I'm even less familiar.

So what about this "freedom" you claim to desire?

- Andrew

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Old April 20th 04, 08:29 PM
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Who are you to define "marriage" thusly?


It's not my definition.


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Old April 20th 04, 08:38 PM
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Who are you to define "marriage" thusly?


It's not my definition.


It's not Merriam-Webster's either:

(1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband
or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) :
the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like
that of a traditional marriage same-sex marriage


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Old April 21st 04, 04:45 PM
Andrew Gideon
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John Harlow wrote:

Who are you to define "marriage" thusly?


It's not my definition.


It's not Merriam-Webster's either:

(1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband
or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2)
: the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship
like that of a traditional marriage same-sex marriage


Interesting. The union of (1) and (2) still precludes several forms of
marriage that do or have existed.

I like how mw uses the phrase "traditional marriage" to cover what Steve and
those of his ilk would merely call "marriage", but it's not really
accurate. There are plenty of traditions that have included forms of
marriage with more than a pair of spouses.

- Andrew

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Old April 18th 04, 02:51 PM
Martin Hotze
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:04:02 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

I disagree, obviously, but as I say below I can understand your view.


All abortion procedures performed today cause the deliberate death of the
child. That is murder by any reasonable definition.


hmm. are you discussing the method of how it is done or the fact that it is
(or is not) done?

let me compare it to the death penalty:
you can say that the electric chair is "inhuman" to kill somebody. it
remains killing (or revenge or whatever you like to call it).
you can use a lethal injection. this might be more human, but the effect or
outcome remains the same.

and the same goes for abortion. you can make it legal, illegal, don't
enforce legal action within the first 4 weeks, yadda yadda yadda. but it
remains the termination of life (when you call it life at the point of
conception).

#m

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Old April 18th 04, 10:56 PM
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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hmm. are you discussing the method of how it is done or the fact
that it is (or is not) done?


The procedure does not matter.



let me compare it to the death penalty:


There is no comparison to the death penalty.


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Old April 18th 04, 04:37 PM
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Now, I would guess that to you the answer to your "question" is
perfectly obvious -
there is no fight against gay marriage. If this is so, then could you
please explain to me
why the Republican efforts in Massachussetts to ban same-sex unions, and
"Bush the
Lesser's" proposed constitutional amendment are not "fights against gay
marriage"/




Gay marriage is not the same as same-sex marriage.

This seems to be boiling down to an argument over semantics, where you
choose
to define terms in such a way as to give you the moral high ground.
Given that,
please define, as precisely as possible, how you define a "gay marriage"
and how
it differs from a same-sex marriage. It appears that your definition is
not in agreement
with how the general population interprets the term, and until we
understand your
definition any meaningful discussion on the topic is impossible.


Those things are not abortion procedures. We were discussing abortion
procedures.

If we were discussing abortion procedures, we would be talking about
things like D&C,
partial-birth abortions, and the like. The discussion was about
abortion, not procedures.
And any discussion of abortion that does not take into account birth
control, sex education,
and other means of providing true ___prevention____ is an imcomplete
discussion.

Rich Lemert






 




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