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![]() "darwin smith" wrote in message hlink.net... It was a question asked in such a way as to imply that the "answer" was completely obvious - there is no fight against gay marraige. There isn't. Gays marry regularly and have done so for quite some time. I therefore treated the comment as a statement being expressed in the form of a rhetorical question. Now, I would guess that to you the answer to your "question" is perfectly obvious - there is no fight against gay marriage. If this is so, then could you please explain to me why the Republican efforts in Massachussetts to ban same-sex unions, and "Bush the Lesser's" proposed constitutional amendment are not "fights against gay marriage"/ Gay marriage is not the same as same-sex marriage. I disagree, obviously, but as I say below I can understand your view. All abortion procedures performed today cause the deliberate death of the child. That is murder by any reasonable definition. Even when there is no exception to save the life of the mother? By the way, I see that you didn't bother to address my comments about birth control, sex education, and generally being around when Suzy really needs the help. Let me know when you're ready and willing to discuss the _complete_ topic of abortion, and have moved beyond just casting judgement on those who happen to disagree with you. Those things are not abortion procedures. We were discussing abortion procedures. |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:04:02 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Gay marriage is not the same as same-sex marriage. so, what is the difference, then? #m -- A far-reaching proposal from the FBI (...) would require all broadband Internet providers, including cable modem and DSL companies, to rewire their networks to support easy wiretapping by police. http://news.com.com/2100-1028-5172948.html |
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![]() "Martin Hotze" wrote in message ... so, what is the difference, then? Marriage is the union of a man and woman as husband and wife. When at least one of the persons is gay you have a gay marriage. Same-sex marriage cannot exist because marriage, by definition, requires persons of opposite sex. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Marriage is the union of a man and woman as husband and wife. Who are you to define "marriage" thusly? Other cultures and religions define it quite differently. You've failed to account for polygamy, polyandry, group marriage, serial marriage, and probably other forms of this particular institution with which I'm even less familiar. So what about this "freedom" you claim to desire? - Andrew |
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![]() "Andrew Gideon" wrote in message gonline.com... Who are you to define "marriage" thusly? It's not my definition. |
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Who are you to define "marriage" thusly?
It's not my definition. It's not Merriam-Webster's either: (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage same-sex marriage |
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John Harlow wrote:
Who are you to define "marriage" thusly? It's not my definition. It's not Merriam-Webster's either: (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage same-sex marriage Interesting. The union of (1) and (2) still precludes several forms of marriage that do or have existed. I like how mw uses the phrase "traditional marriage" to cover what Steve and those of his ilk would merely call "marriage", but it's not really accurate. There are plenty of traditions that have included forms of marriage with more than a pair of spouses. - Andrew |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:04:02 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
I disagree, obviously, but as I say below I can understand your view. All abortion procedures performed today cause the deliberate death of the child. That is murder by any reasonable definition. hmm. are you discussing the method of how it is done or the fact that it is (or is not) done? let me compare it to the death penalty: you can say that the electric chair is "inhuman" to kill somebody. it remains killing (or revenge or whatever you like to call it). you can use a lethal injection. this might be more human, but the effect or outcome remains the same. and the same goes for abortion. you can make it legal, illegal, don't enforce legal action within the first 4 weeks, yadda yadda yadda. but it remains the termination of life (when you call it life at the point of conception). #m -- A far-reaching proposal from the FBI (...) would require all broadband Internet providers, including cable modem and DSL companies, to rewire their networks to support easy wiretapping by police. http://news.com.com/2100-1028-5172948.html |
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![]() "Martin Hotze" wrote in message ... hmm. are you discussing the method of how it is done or the fact that it is (or is not) done? The procedure does not matter. let me compare it to the death penalty: There is no comparison to the death penalty. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Now, I would guess that to you the answer to your "question" is perfectly obvious - there is no fight against gay marriage. If this is so, then could you please explain to me why the Republican efforts in Massachussetts to ban same-sex unions, and "Bush the Lesser's" proposed constitutional amendment are not "fights against gay marriage"/ Gay marriage is not the same as same-sex marriage. This seems to be boiling down to an argument over semantics, where you choose to define terms in such a way as to give you the moral high ground. Given that, please define, as precisely as possible, how you define a "gay marriage" and how it differs from a same-sex marriage. It appears that your definition is not in agreement with how the general population interprets the term, and until we understand your definition any meaningful discussion on the topic is impossible. Those things are not abortion procedures. We were discussing abortion procedures. If we were discussing abortion procedures, we would be talking about things like D&C, partial-birth abortions, and the like. The discussion was about abortion, not procedures. And any discussion of abortion that does not take into account birth control, sex education, and other means of providing true ___prevention____ is an imcomplete discussion. Rich Lemert |
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