Cirrus BRS deployments - Alan Klapmeier's comments on NPR

"Rick Durden" wrote in message
m...
Ron,

It's interesting to read of your anti-safety perspective...the
approach that if a pilot errs, he is sentenced to death. If you go
back into aviation history writings, much of what you said is straight
out of the arguments of those in the Army and Navy aviation wings that
were against giving pilots parachutes in the late 19 teens and early
'20s. By gawd, that pilot is taught to bring the airplane back, not
jump out of it (same argument initially against giving pilots flying
the mail parachutes).

If there is one thing that galls me it is so-called pilots who think that
every safety improvement is a bad thing.

If these guys had their way, cars would instead of airbags have a sharp
spear embedded in the steering column which would impale any driver who was
so careless as to get into an accident.

Their attitude seems to be that a small bomb should be installed in every
airplane so that anyone who is so thoughtless as to crash is guaranteed to
be scattered in small pieces over a wide area.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...

If there is one thing that galls me it is so-called pilots who think that
every safety improvement is a bad thing.


What pilot posted that every safety improvement is a bad thing? I do not
recall any such post.

The fact is that all airplane modifications have benefits and disadvantages
that need to be weighed against one another. It is not clear yet that the
Cirrus is either safer or more dangerous than traditional steam-gauge,
non-parachute airplanes. There are reasonable arguments on both side.


--------------------
Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com

Careful CJ, you are reacting to Durden's incorrect assessment of posts
that I made. Sounds like a Democrat

Ron Lee

"C J Campbell" wrote:


"Rick Durden" wrote in message
om...
Ron,

It's interesting to read of your anti-safety perspective...the
approach that if a pilot errs, he is sentenced to death. If you go
back into aviation history writings, much of what you said is straight
out of the arguments of those in the Army and Navy aviation wings that
were against giving pilots parachutes in the late 19 teens and early
'20s. By gawd, that pilot is taught to bring the airplane back, not
jump out of it (same argument initially against giving pilots flying
the mail parachutes).

If there is one thing that galls me it is so-called pilots who think that
every safety improvement is a bad thing.

If these guys had their way, cars would instead of airbags have a sharp
spear embedded in the steering column which would impale any driver who was
so careless as to get into an accident.

Their attitude seems to be that a small bomb should be installed in every
airplane so that anyone who is so thoughtless as to crash is guaranteed to
be scattered in small pieces over a wide area.

Howdy!

In article ,
Ron Lee wrote:
Careful CJ, you are reacting to Durden's incorrect assessment of posts
that I made. Sounds like a Democrat

What is incorrect about Rick Durden's assessment of your posts? You harp
on how CAPS is a "crutch". Right up front, you said:

I know at least one person here is a fan of the CAPS. I wonder if it
is a last resort for pilot incompetence?

You immediately question the competence of the pilots. You insist that
the pilots need better training to avoid getting into situation where they
might be tempted (my word) to pull the handle instead of flying out of
trouble like a manly man (my words again). Rick calls you on it citing
historical reactions to the introduction of last-ditch safety equipment
whose use is the ultimate in giving-up without conceding death. You
call it a crutch.

You sound sad.

yours,
Michael



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(Michael Houghton) wrote:

Howdy!

In article ,
Ron Lee wrote:
Careful CJ, you are reacting to Durden's incorrect assessment of posts
that I made. Sounds like a Democrat

What is incorrect about Rick Durden's assessment of your posts? You harp
on how CAPS is a "crutch". Right up front, you said:

I know at least one person here is a fan of the CAPS. I wonder if it
is a last resort for pilot incompetence?

You immediately question the competence of the pilots. You insist that
the pilots need better training to avoid getting into situation where they
might be tempted (my word) to pull the handle instead of flying out of
trouble like a manly man (my words again). Rick calls you on it citing
historical reactions to the introduction of last-ditch safety equipment
whose use is the ultimate in giving-up without conceding death. You
call it a crutch.

MIchael, I said "I wonder". That is not a definitive statement. It
raises an issue that is worth discussing about what really led to the
deployment of the parachute. See how you are misreading my posts.
That is what is sad.

You sound sad.

Actually I am quite happy and well adjusted.. Do some of you folks
always react this way with points of view that are different than your
own?

Ron Lee

yours,
Michael



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| White Wolf and the Phoenix
Bowie, MD, USA | Tablet and Inkle bands, and other stuff
| http://www.radix.net/~herveus/

(Ron Lee) writes:

(Michael Houghton) wrote:

Howdy!

In article ,
Ron Lee wrote:
Careful CJ, you are reacting to Durden's incorrect assessment of posts
that I made. Sounds like a Democrat

What is incorrect about Rick Durden's assessment of your posts? You harp
on how CAPS is a "crutch". Right up front, you said:

I know at least one person here is a fan of the CAPS. I wonder if it
is a last resort for pilot incompetence?

You immediately question the competence of the pilots. You insist that
the pilots need better training to avoid getting into situation where they
might be tempted (my word) to pull the handle instead of flying out of
trouble like a manly man (my words again). Rick calls you on it citing
historical reactions to the introduction of last-ditch safety equipment
whose use is the ultimate in giving-up without conceding death. You
call it a crutch.

MIchael, I said "I wonder". That is not a definitive statement. It
raises an issue that is worth discussing about what really led to the
deployment of the parachute. See how you are misreading my posts.
That is what is sad.

So, if I say "I wonder if Ron is a pedophile", that's okay, because I
said "I wonder"? Sorry, but publicly saying you wonder about
something is a public accusation, and shouldn't be made casually.
Public wondering must be reserved for situations where you have some
legitemate *cause* to wonder.
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Howdy!

In article ,
Ron Lee wrote:
(Michael Houghton) wrote:

Howdy!

In article ,
Ron Lee wrote:
Careful CJ, you are reacting to Durden's incorrect assessment of posts
that I made. Sounds like a Democrat

What is incorrect about Rick Durden's assessment of your posts? You harp
on how CAPS is a "crutch". Right up front, you said:

I know at least one person here is a fan of the CAPS. I wonder if it
is a last resort for pilot incompetence?

You immediately question the competence of the pilots. You insist that
the pilots need better training to avoid getting into situation where they
might be tempted (my word) to pull the handle instead of flying out of
trouble like a manly man (my words again). Rick calls you on it citing
historical reactions to the introduction of last-ditch safety equipment
whose use is the ultimate in giving-up without conceding death. You
call it a crutch.

MIchael, I said "I wonder". That is not a definitive statement. It
raises an issue that is worth discussing about what really led to the
deployment of the parachute. See how you are misreading my posts.
That is what is sad.

"incompetence" is a pretty strong word to use. By inserting it into the
discourse as early as you did, you suggest to a reasonable reader that
you think it might somehow apply. Being a bit eager to pull the chute
does not, by any stretch of the imagination, automatically rise to the
level of incompetence. You follow up by characterizing the mere presence
of the BRS as a crutch. Taken as a whole, your remarks convey a meaning
that you claim is a misreading.

You sound sad.

Actually I am quite happy and well adjusted.. Do some of you folks
always react this way with points of view that are different than your
own?

I react this way to people who make statements and implications and then
deny that they meant what we are inferring. I also don't react favorably
to logical fallacies when they get trotted out.

yours,
Michael


--
Michael and MJ Houghton | Herveus d'Ormonde and Megan O'Donnelly
| White Wolf and the Phoenix
Bowie, MD, USA | Tablet and Inkle bands, and other stuff
| http://www.radix.net/~herveus/