Pinckneyville Pix

Give it a rest, Bill. We all know how you feel. Why drag it around again?

Because I don't think all the new people know how I feel or what has
happened. I made my statement, I'll drop it now, but early on there
was a lot of talent that supported a RAH fly-in once a year. Only the
weekend pilots who know nothing continue to think it's worthwhile at
this point. There are reasons for this. If the group had played
their cards right, the RAH fly-in could have become one of the biggest
EAA events of the year that some real meaningful people would attend.
That was my goal along with O'ring Seals, Ray Jarvis, Tony Pucillo,
Chuck Slusarsick, Dave Tate, Craig Wall and many others.

We could have had workshops on dope and fabric, wood and metal
working, riveting and engine maintenance. The only guy who ever did
anything fun was Chuck Slusarsick. Chuck always had a workshop on
building model airplanes and then he'd have a fly-off to see who built
the one that would do what ever the mission was suppose to be.

There were a lot of cool people who showed up years ago in
ultralights, gyrocopters, high performance aerobatic airplanes and the
like. The ramp actually had no more parking space at the last one I
went to in about 2000. People brought other toys too like Craig
Wall's pulse-jet engine that made so much noise when he started it up
you could hear it in the next county.

The RAH fly-in would have built through the years instead of piddling
out. I like meeting the people we spar with here as much as anyone.
It's fun to see them face to face. I like hauling FREE rides in the
Cessna 310 or the P-210 or the RV-6 or whatever. I like supporting a
get-together for the people who post here so they can see there are
real people behind these typed-words we flush into the Internet.
Those of us here on the West coast spent a thousand bucks each year to
get there and support it, then be insulted by John and charged an
extra $5 bucks because we didn't pre-register.

But, the RAH fly-in became the PJY fly-in, then John's (Highflyer's)
fly-in and it attracted the lowest common denominator as John whined
about all the money he was losing by hosting it and went around on
Saturday night hitting everybody up for more money.

And where is it today? It looks like it's, populated by 10 people,
most of whom never built anything and who have some beginners licenses
at best and might fly a C-150 or a Tiger once a month. They know
nothing, have big mouths and tremendous opinions they broadcast to all
who read this forum.

Most are not pilots of any stature and some tried it then gave it up,
like Amp Meter. Here's a guy who built an RV-6, flew it for awhile,
then sold it. He's never flown since I've known him for the past 7
years or so. His experience and his knowledge is highly limited and
out-dated, yet he's a regular poster here. I've never seen the guy
fly anything or even tell a good flying story in the seven years I've
been posting and reading RAH. Everybody likes him because he doesn't
cause trouble. Then you have a guy like Pac who is a DC-10 captain
with gobbs of fresh experience, and what's the group do? They pick on
the guy. Gary Thomas and April were about 20% of who attended PJY
this year and Gary is not a pilot or a builder, neither is April.
Yeah, they are nice folks, but they can't contribute to anything
related to homebuilding or flying. I like Gary and April too, but my
point is they are not the data bases that Pac or O'ring or Jarvis or
Craig Wall are.

You have guys like Burnie the Butt**** who can't fly his armchair
hanging out here with his big mouth and giant opinionated posts. He's
so much of a coward, he's a chicken**** anonymous poster. Not only
that, he wouldn't know an aileron from a rudder. He was probably one
of the people you see in the photos that Jay Honeck put up, but he's
too much of a coward to stand up for what he says. So, he can hide
behind his computer screen and be brave, insulting and threatening.

Moon man Munday is another complete loser in my opinion. What the
hell can he fly? Is he current, even in a Cessna 150? I doubt it.
95% of you people here are wantabees who will never be. The people
who are something are not posting here anymore. Most are building
something and flying something. Hell, I've added on 4 ratings since I
started posting here while the Moon Men with the big mouths are
exactly where they were 7 years ago and some like Ammeter have gone
backward in his skills. Even Oysterhouse buys a little experimental
airplane, puts it in his hangar for two years and is too afraid to fly
it, so he sells it. What a builder! What a tallent!

I'm not trying to run these guys down. But the people with the
biggest mouths here are not the people who have really done much. I
certainly include Sydney in this batch too. I'm not even saying it's
good or bad although I think it's bull****. It's just the way it is.

This is who you meet at "John's" fly-in instead of the Chuck's,
Tony's, Ray Jay's, O'ring's or even Bourbon who only lives a hundred
miles away. It wasn't even worth 3 gallons of gas for Bourbon to fly
his RV-3 over there this year. He hangs out here because he's an old
man, he has the time, and he likes to **** with people. He has some
fun here, but he knows that all the flying talent left "John's" fly-in
years ago. There's nothing for him to learn over there.

So, I'm through. I wanted some of the newbees to know what the PJY
gathering is all about from a pilot who has earned 17 ratings, logged
5000 hours in airplanes and 3000 in helicopters and built many
airplanes, gliders, ultralights, gyrocopters, etc. I'm not telling
anyone not to go to PJY. But, it's not a serious fly-in, like it
could have become. It's just a picnic. Just don't expect to meet
anyone there that you can learn much from, most of them disappeared
long ago.

Just my opinion.

BWB

"Badwater Bill" wrote

Then you have a guy like Pac who is a DC-10 captain


BULL****

You know it is, too.

Why don't you put on this grand RAH flyin? You do have plenty of money to
loose, right?

My guess is, you have ****ed off too many people, for enough people to come
and make it a success.

Oh, but what do I know. I (and most every one else) am too low to lick your
boots. Yea, right.
--
Jim in NC


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BULL****

You know it is, too.

Why don't you put on this grand RAH flyin? You do have plenty of money to
loose, right?

My guess is, you have ****ed off too many people, for enough people to come
and make it a success.

Oh, but what do I know. I (and most every one else) am too low to lick your
boots. Yea, right.


If you had anything but **** for brains, you'd know that I bought all
the beer for that fly in for three years, I did put on a RAH fly in
here once and I hauled rides in my airplanes at all of them and never
took a dime for any of it. Then John Johnson dogs me around the ramp
and demands that I pay an extra $5 bucks for not registering early
when he's let in all his buddies for free and I bought the beer, and
bought airline tickets for a few who had no money.

Of course everyone bitched about the beer I chose because it was what
I liked, Miller Lite, but none of them bought anything.

I paid for half that fly in the first three years we had it there. And
I paid for most of the one we had here. All it got me was a bunch of
complaints, bitchers, and moochers who contributed nothing but had
plenty to say.

So, **** you asshole. You know nothing.

I wouldn't walk across the street to meet any of the mooching *******s
I met there over the years. You'll notice that even a real pilot like
Bob Urban didn't put out the effort to fly 100 miles to associate with
these losers.



BWB

"Badwater Bill" wrote +


If you had anything but **** for brains, you'd know that I bought all
the beer for that fly in for three years,
***********************

Yea, yea, I've hung out here for long enough to know all that. Big deal.
Some people have more money than others. Even more stupid, is the fact you
still hold a grudge for someone using bad judgement in asking for a mere 5
bucks more.
*****************************

I did put on a RAH fly in
here once and I hauled rides in my airplanes at all of them and never
took a dime for any of it.
***************************

So do it again, year after year. If you can do it so much better, and can
attract a better (so you say) class of people, it will grow and catch on.
**************************

So, **** you asshole. You know nothing.
*****************************

I know it is _so_ easy to press your buttons.
*****************************

I wouldn't walk across the street to meet any of the mooching *******s
I met there over the years.
*****************************

So have everyone pay their share. The mooches won't show up.
*****************************

You'll notice that even a real pilot like
Bob Urban didn't put out the effort to fly 100 miles to associate with
these losers.



BWB

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One thing I don't understand. If you think this group has become such a
group of losers, why do you care if the new people know what has happened in
the past, or if the new people are warned that only losers hang here? After
all, we are not worth wasting any time for you, or any other real pilots.
Right? Hmmm

I think you just like to hear yourself bitch and moan.
--
Jim in NC


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On Sat, 29 May 2004 17:34:51 GMT, (Badwater
Bill) wrote:



Give it a rest, Bill. We all know how you feel. Why drag it around again?

Because I don't think all the new people know how I feel or what has
happened.


Just my opinion.

BWB


SHUN

Badwater Bill wrote:
Gary Thomas and April were about 20% of who attended PJY
this year and Gary is not a pilot or a builder, neither is April.
Yeah, they are nice folks, but they can't contribute to anything
related to homebuilding or flying. I like Gary and April too, but my
point is they are not the data bases that Pac or O'ring or Jarvis or
Craig Wall are.



Just my opinion.

BWB

Hell Bill,

I don't know if you've noticed but when all the experts and high timers
are telling stories and giving expert advice the only ones that are
really listening are us low time-no
time-wannabe-neverbe-hasbeen-neverbeens.

Most of the folks that need to shine need an audience and the best
audience is the one that thirsts for the knowledge they have to impart
not the one that is thinking about what it wants to say when you shutup
so he/she can top what you just said.

As for drilling a straight hole and setting a rivet I'll take you on any
time any place. I'll have you know that I have set many a rivet
repairing an old aluminum john boat that I used to carry my old
compressor out to the Los Angeles breakwater where I was installing
sensors on the sea floor to measure the permeability of the breakwater
to ocean wave energy. As for composites I think that I can top you. I
have hands on experience designing and building boats using high tech
composites including vacuum bagging, etc. What I'm trying to say is
that I make my living designing and building things. Things that are
alot more complex than an aircraft kit. I don't jump in with helpful
hints in areas where I feel that I can contribute because I don't have
any aircraft building experience and people just like you will feel that
I haven't paid my dues where it counts and they may be right.

I'd love to build and airplane. I'd rather build than fly, truth be
known. I am offering my services to anyone in the Boston area that
might like a willing helper. I don't do epoxy anymore (too allergic)
but machining, welding, hammering, sawing, sanding, fairing, painting
etc., are all within my abilities. If interested you can reach me at
this address.

Just my opinion

Gary Thomas

"Gary Thomas" wrote in message
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composites including vacuum bagging, etc. What I'm trying to say is
that I make my living designing and building things. Things that are
alot more complex than an aircraft kit. I don't jump in with helpful
hints in areas where I feel that I can contribute because I don't have
any aircraft building experience and people just like you will feel that
I haven't paid my dues where it counts and they may be right.

You ought to jump in when you have something to contribute. Your experience
and attitude makes you sound like a pretty all-round smart guy.

The worst case is some particular idea may be way different in boatbuilding
than airplane building, which should come out in meaningful discussion...
Oh well, it's not like you are trying to portray yourself as an airplane
expert.

The best possible case is a fresh (to airplane building) idea.

Most likely, something in between, and somebody will read it and think,
"Hey, I hadn't thought of that."

A lot of the best tricks on fixing cars, for example, are the ones that make
long menial tasks (things like stuck bolts) easy. You can't learn stuff
like that from a textbook, you either waste all kinds of time figuring it
out yourself, or, my point- somebody can teach you.


My .02

haven't paid my dues where it counts and they may be right.

You ought to jump in when you have something to contribute. Your experience
and attitude makes you sound like a pretty all-round smart guy.

The worst case is some particular idea may be way different in boatbuilding
than airplane building, which should come out in meaningful discussion...
Oh well, it's not like you are trying to portray yourself as an airplane
expert.

The best possible case is a fresh (to airplane building) idea.

Most likely, something in between, and somebody will read it and think,
"Hey, I hadn't thought of that."

A lot of the best tricks on fixing cars, for example, are the ones that make
long menial tasks (things like stuck bolts) easy. You can't learn stuff
like that from a textbook, you either waste all kinds of time figuring it
out yourself, or, my point- somebody can teach you.


My .02


I agree Gary. I have no issue with you at all amigo. You of all the
people who attended PJY this year would have been the dude I would
have liked to spend my time trying to learn something from. And... I
just love April. How could anyone be as nice as her?

Nope, you are not the type that I'm aiming at. You have a ton of
knowledge and experience, although, you've never built anything that
flies, you have kicked ass on the rest of the stuff you build. In
fact I take my hat off to you for what you've done...and I know a lot
of what you've done because we've talked about it here in Vegas.

Besides, you are a physicist. How in the hell could I not like a
brother.

BWB