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Shunmaster wrote in message ...
Jay Honeck presented the following explanation :
Maybe true for them, but there are hundreds (thousands?) of lurkers here

with far less experience than you.



Consider SHUNNING.


Ah yes, the anonymous Snow****master right on schedule. It's
"shunning" posts like these that cause all the hard feelings around
here in the first place. At least BWB signs his posts as himself.
He's an honest broker. You on the other hand have so many identities
even you can't keep them straight.

Your attempt at crushing free speech is deplorable and very
un-american.

pacplyer - out

pacplyer wrote on 5/31/2004 :
Shunmaster wrote in message
...
Jay Honeck presented the following explanation :
Maybe true for them, but there are hundreds (thousands?) of lurkers here
with far less experience than you.



Consider SHUNNING.


Ah yes, the anonymous Snow****master right on schedule. It's
"shunning" posts like these that cause all the hard feelings around
here in the first place. At least BWB signs his posts as himself.
He's an honest broker. You on the other hand have so many identities
even you can't keep them straight.

Your attempt at crushing free speech is deplorable and very
un-american.

pacplyer - out


Pac,

What a crock!!!!
Please, get your thinking cap on straight.

First off, *YOU* are as ANONYMOUS as they come and could not only be
called a coward for it, but a stunning hypocrite as well.

Secondly... shunning is not a method to crush free speech.
Exactly the opposite is true when coupled with anonymity.

Hypothetically....
Let us say that you got under someone's skin here typing out undeniable
TRUTHS using your real name. Let's also say it offends particular
person(s) sufficiently that it causes them sufficient heartburn to
bring legal action against you for your FREE SPEECH that is known to be
true and correct. Let us further state that they even openly admit the
only reason they are hauling you into court is an attempt to spend you
into the poor house. What would you REALLY do to defend your FREE
SPEECH? We already have your answer, hypocrite. You are here
anonymously, because you are too cowardly to spend a small portion of
your well heeled airline pilot income to take on Internet bullies that
could threaten your right to LEGITIMATE AND TRUE FREE SPEECH!

Bullies are deplorable and unamerican, not me.
From a point of simple and logical economics...
Bullies deserve to be shunned/ignored, don't you think?

P.S.
Honesty, like beauty, is sometimes in the eye of the beholder.

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I really can't believe you have a college education "Nobodybird."
Your deductive reasoning is so poor I think you should try to go get
your money back. The real truth is as follows: You are completely
anonymous. I am known to BWB and other posters and colleagues.

But as usual, you misunderstand what's being said. Being anonymous is
not un-American. Ben Franklin used to do it all the time; e.g. "Ms.
Silence Dogood." But Ben used anonymity in a positive way to try to
persuade his town mates into a different line of thinking. You on the
other hand, do it for spite. You constantly change your alias and do
it to suppress the free speech of a single individual whom you
dislike. Your objective is to run him off, allowing your lower
intellect to ascend RAH newsgroup. Your underhanded tactics,
Nobodybird, are despicable. Bill Being a verbal Bully is not enough
justification to run him off. He doesn't physically attack you in the
real world. He doesn't spew forth inexperienced opinions which are
wrong and could get somebody killed. What this really boils down to
is that you don't have enough character to take a little criticism.
It would follow that since you cannot learn from experienced pilots;
you are a poor pilot as well.

You should take your own advice and ignore his posts. But don't try
to convince Jay or anyone else not to respond to open BWB posts
because that's an attempt to stifle free speech. That makes you the
real internet bully here. I guess it's just too threatening for you
to realize that Bill does have friends. Despite Badwater Bill's
shortcomings (and he's got em') he's ten times the American you are.
I get along with him fine. Try using honey instead of vinegar all the
time.

These are just my opinions only.

pacplyer - out




wrote in message ...
pacplyer wrote on 5/31/2004 :
Shunmaster wrote in message
...
Jay Honeck presented the following explanation :
Maybe true for them, but there are hundreds (thousands?) of lurkers here
with far less experience than you.



Consider SHUNNING.


Ah yes, the anonymous Snow****master right on schedule. It's
"shunning" posts like these that cause all the hard feelings around
here in the first place. At least BWB signs his posts as himself.
He's an honest broker. You on the other hand have so many identities
even you can't keep them straight.

Your attempt at crushing free speech is deplorable and very
un-american.

pacplyer - out


Pac,

What a crock!!!!
Please, get your thinking cap on straight.

First off, *YOU* are as ANONYMOUS as they come and could not only be
called a coward for it, but a stunning hypocrite as well.

Secondly... shunning is not a method to crush free speech.
Exactly the opposite is true when coupled with anonymity.

Hypothetically....
Let us say that you got under someone's skin here typing out undeniable
TRUTHS using your real name. Let's also say it offends particular
person(s) sufficiently that it causes them sufficient heartburn to
bring legal action against you for your FREE SPEECH that is known to be
true and correct. Let us further state that they even openly admit the
only reason they are hauling you into court is an attempt to spend you
into the poor house. What would you REALLY do to defend your FREE
SPEECH? We already have your answer, hypocrite. You are here
anonymously, because you are too cowardly to spend a small portion of
your well heeled airline pilot income to take on Internet bullies that
could threaten your right to LEGITIMATE AND TRUE FREE SPEECH!

Bullies are deplorable and unamerican, not me.
From a point of simple and logical economics...
Bullies deserve to be shunned/ignored, don't you think?

P.S.
Honesty, like beauty, is sometimes in the eye of the beholder.

In pacplyer wrote:

You should take your own advice and ignore his posts. But don't try
to convince Jay or anyone else not to respond to open BWB posts
because that's an attempt to stifle free speech. That makes you the
real internet bully here. I guess it's just too threatening for you
to realize that Bill does have friends.

Pac, you appear to be his last remaining friend on this forum and it is
only a matter of time before he alienates you, too. And I didn't see
any attempt at stifling free speech. All I saw was the opinion, which I
happen to agree with, that if you are going to be critical of people
posting anonymously, then you should have the balls to post your own
real name publicly. I don't care if Badwater Bill or who else knows
your true identity, nor do I care so much who you really are. But if
you insist on being a hypocrite, you should expect to be called one.
You probably have legitimate reasons for keeping your identity to
yourself and most on this newsgroup are okay with that, but don't expect
to be taken as seriously as somebody who hangs their name and
credentials out for everybody to see.

Despite Badwater Bill's
shortcomings (and he's got em') he's ten times the American you are.
I get along with him fine. Try using honey instead of vinegar all the
time.

One is known by the company he keeps.

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Del Rawlins wrote
Pac, you appear to be his last remaining friend on this forum and it is
only a matter of time before he alienates you, too. And I didn't see
any attempt at stifling free speech.

So you don't think that if I repeatedly asked people to "Shun" you,
that that is not a sad attempt to silence you?

Del, I'm just am chafing from this constant which hunt by what appear
to me to be low qualification people. Without a moderator, It's up to
all of us to determine the most important characteristics of expert
posters on this NG. I submit that building experience, ratings,
relevant education and writing ability are far more important than who
showed up at somebody's hangar or who kisses the most butt of the
regulars on a weekly basis or who uses the best table manners in an
attempt to become popular. Remember: when in doubt: defer to
substance and experience; not to superficial appearances. This is not
to say that anyone can't participate (even Bernie the Butt****, who
nobody likes.) It's just that I think it's wrong to let "Nobodybird"
and her liberated males sabotage the NG to satisfy her personal
vendettas.

Here's the proof:
"Nobody" above answered my attack on "Shunmaster" as if were a direct
attack on her:

"Bullies are deplorable and unamerican, not me."

I never accused the "Nobody" character of being unamerican. I made
that charge against "Shunmaster."
"Nobody" *is* "Shunmaster," who is Snowbird. You're not so invisible
after all. But this is what happens when you use multiple identities.
Sooner or later you get mixed up. Pathetic behavior! I feel you owe
me an apology for this sad dishonest subterfuge as well as BWB.

If I'm reading you correctly, I'll never get that apology. This is
why I have no respect for you Snowbird when you play these kind of
dishonest head games with people. I think you drove BWB crazy with
this kind of mean-spirited posting.

Anyway these are all just my opinions only,

pacplyer - out

In pacplyer wrote:

So you don't think that if I repeatedly asked people to "Shun" you,
that that is not a sad attempt to silence you?

If that is an attempt to silence me, then "sad" is a pretty good
description because you can't make me stop posting.

Del, I'm just am chafing from this constant which hunt by what appear
to me to be low qualification people. Without a moderator, It's up to
all of us to determine the most important characteristics of expert
posters on this NG. I submit that building experience, ratings,
relevant education and writing ability are far more important than who
showed up at somebody's hangar or who kisses the most butt of the
regulars on a weekly basis or who uses the best table manners in an
attempt to become popular.

Pac, all of those things are important here but I still have to object
to the attitude that the rest of us aren't worthy of posting because we
don't have the hours, are working on our first airplane project, or some
other reason why we should lick the boots of the few high time ATPs who
post here. I don't have a lot of flight experience and I know it. I
challenge you to go back through the archives and find even one instance
in which I try to hand out flying advice. When I post about building, I
post about things which I have DONE or otherwise have a good knowledge
of. That means that I usually don't post much other than in off topic
threads like this one.

Remember: when in doubt: defer to
substance and experience; not to superficial appearances. This is not
to say that anyone can't participate (even Bernie the Butt****, who
nobody likes.) It's just that I think it's wrong to let "Nobodybird"
and her liberated males sabotage the NG to satisfy her personal
vendettas.

I guess that is part of my point. As much as I dislike Bernie and his
ilk, I don't consider you to be a whole lot different other than you
support BWB rather than oppose him. When I defer to substance and
experience, it has to be verifiable and if the person with the
experience isn't willing to hang his reputation (i.e. his identity) off
his posts, then I will discount that experience an appropriate amount.

Here's the proof:
"Nobody" above answered my attack on "Shunmaster" as if were a direct
attack on her:

"Bullies are deplorable and unamerican, not me."

I never accused the "Nobody" character of being unamerican. I made
that charge against "Shunmaster."
"Nobody" *is* "Shunmaster," who is Snowbird. You're not so invisible
after all. But this is what happens when you use multiple identities.
Sooner or later you get mixed up. Pathetic behavior! I feel you owe
me an apology for this sad dishonest subterfuge as well as BWB.

Well, there are still a few people here who think that you are just
BWB's sock puppet. You answered an attack on him as though it were an
attack on you, after all. I don't believe that, but you should see that
it cuts both ways. My own impression of Snowbird is that she would just
like to be left alone.

If I'm reading you correctly, I'll never get that apology. This is
why I have no respect for you Snowbird when you play these kind of
dishonest head games with people. I think you drove BWB crazy with
this kind of mean-spirited posting.

You need to go back to the beginning and actually read what was said for
yourself, to see where the mean spirited posting was coming from.

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on 6/1/2004, pacplyer supposed :
I really can't believe you have a college education "Nobodybird."
The real truth is as follows: You are completely
anonymous.

You say I am completely anonymous,
yet you know I have a college education.
Are you psychic, just sick or just an off the wall flake?

But as usual, you misunderstand what's being said.

As usual?
I've only been known here for 4 or 5 posts.
I have no USUAL anything, just yet.

Being anonymous is not un-American.

Thank you for repeaing MY position.

You should take your own advice and ignore his posts.

If you will be a little more attentive, you should notice
I have not referenced or replied to any BWB posts.......
i.e. I do ignore/shun him.

But don't try
to convince Jay or anyone else not to respond to open BWB posts
because that's an attempt to stifle free speech.

The single word SHUN should convey but one clearcut objective.
You choose to SPIN it into a major biased ****storm in BWB's
behalf, if you ask me.

That makes you the
real internet bully here.

A bully is a person who is habitually cruel or overbearing,
especially to smaller or weaker people. I'm not habitually
anything since I've just made myself known and as you say..
am COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS.

I guess it's just too threatening for you
to realize that Bill does have friends.

IMO, Bill just lost his last friend, John Ammeter.
You are not his friend. IMO, you are an acquaintence.

Despite Badwater Bill's
shortcomings (and he's got em') he's ten times the American you are.

Again, I am COMPLETELY UNKNOWN to you.
You continue to make a buffoon of yourself, IMO.

I get along with him fine. Try using honey instead of vinegar all the
time.

Please, give this loony tune a rest.
I'm new here.
I've yet to establish any parameters or character base
since as you say.... I am COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS.

These are just my opinions only.

pacplyer - out

Opinions?

We agree at last.
They sure ain't FACTS.



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Don't even respond to the cowardly anonymous assholes of the world
Pac. I didn't lose "My last friend."

****, Ammeter and I have been buds for way too long to ever let some
little ****ing post on this chicken **** ng to EVER come between us.

All friends disagree and all friends argue. Ant Eater and I are no
different...neither is that ****ing asshole Oysterhouse, although I
might kick his fat, bloated, gelatinous ass when I see him next (which
will be at my home in Utah this summer).

I love em both and they know it. Nobody here knows what goes on
behind the scenes. **** the RAHian's who try to infer what the
greates like Oyster, Amp Meter and Phillips are really doing.
BBBBWWAAHHHAHHAHA, Just sit and wonder, you borring muther ****ers.

It's all a con Pac. The ng is one thing, what happens in private is
usually just a big laugh about what all the ****ing morons here
consider reality.

Now, let's see who we can pick on.

BWB

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:29:00 GMT, (Badwater
Bill) wrote:
All friends disagree and all friends argue. Ant Eater and I are no
different...neither is that ****ing asshole Oysterhouse, although I
might kick his fat, bloated, gelatinous ass when I see him next (which
will be at my home in Utah this summer).

I'll see Bill next when Las Vegas freezes over!

- J.O.-

I'll see Bill next when Las Vegas freezes over!

- J.O.-


Oh, now John, you are so cute when you are mad.

BBWWAHHAHHAHHAAAAA