High or low wing?

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
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Doing a quick search for number of posts on the subject would
then indicate you fly a low wing model?


I have, from time to time, but I own an Aeronca Champ'.

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
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heh heh, I was just yanking his chain a bit.

Probably means I owe him a beer or two someday.


I didn't feel my chain being yanked, but I will NEVER refuse a beer. I
don't care who's buyin'.

Of course, the conventional wisdom is to dump the privates and keep the
generals, because you can get new privates more easily than you can get new
generals. And in a variation of the Ma Joad philosophy, in a pinch a general
can do a private's job, but a private probably cannot do a general's job.
And this doesn't factor in the differences in value of an incompetent
general vs. a high-achieving private.

But "corporate memory" is a valuable asset: if you hire a new machinist, he
generally doesn't need to know anything about the company in order to
immediately become productive. All he needs to know is how to run his
particular machine (and I am not denigrating the contributions of
machinists). However, the production manager that the machinist works for
doesn't need to know very much about the machines on the shop floor, but he
does need to know a great deal about the company, notably such things as
seasonal variances in production requirements, new products that will
require shop floor changes, things like that.

So it goes...

And on a personal and unrelated note: George, based on a misidentification
on my part, a short while back I insulted you ("argue with a fence post"). I
have since become aware that it was someone else who had that unpleasant
characteristic, and I feel I owe you an apology. Please consider one
extended...




"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:

Perhaps this is why they are no longer employing so many people?

There was certainly a distinct feeling to that effect amongst low-level
employees. I
recall during some of the 2002 layoffs, it was explained to a friend of
mine that
they were laying off low-level employees, but they were keeping their
managers so
that they would have their strategy layer intact and could "spring ahead"
when the
economy improved. Her opinion of this was that the people they were
keeping were the
people who were responsible for the company's problems.

I still wouldn't go that far, but I *did* roll over the company stock in
my 401K to
another fund a while back.

George Patterson
If you don't tell lies, you never have to remember what you said.

(C. Paul Williams, MD) wrote in message . com...
Hi, I'm new to this group and new to piloting, just having passed my
private pilot FAA written and about halfway through flight school.
I'm training in a Cessna 172SP and have a question for the experienced
pilots out there. Do you prefer flying a high wing or low wing
aircraft and why?...I apologize if this is a redundant question on the
newsgroup.
Thanks. CPW

Wheels go on the bottom - that's where the gound is. Wings don't
matter - air is everywhere.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.

On Mon, 10 May 2004 11:38:42 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

Run a nicely profitable $60 million company and that income would not be
out
of line. :~)
Keep it profitable in hard times and a higher number is certainly
justified.

Agreed -- but, remember, George was referring to MIDDLE level managers
making that kind of money.

I know quite a few project managers who made that much and they
*might* be at the bottom end of the middle level management structure.

OTOH, the ones making that kind of money were putting in so many hours
they were making less per hour than many of the union people.

They're not running nuthin'...and there isn't a mid-level manager in the
world that is worth what my General Practioner makes.

It depends on the who, what, when, and where. This is only lower to
mid "middle class income" in many areas including here in central
Michigan which isn't in the running when you look at New York, Mass,
and California. Even here where the cost of living is far less than
either coast you will usually find both husband and wife working at
this level.


Also, if I recall, George was in the telecommunications industry. With the
increased competition in that field, the profit margins are way down.

This area is predominately chemical industry and on the edge of the
automotive to the south of us.

Roger( retired and loving every minute of it) Halstead
(K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

There aren't any airplanes that flap their wings, either.

C J Campbell wrote:

There are no low wing birds.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Run a nicely profitable $60 million company and that income would not be
out
of line. :~)
Keep it profitable in hard times and a higher number is certainly
justified.

Agreed -- but, remember, George was referring to MIDDLE level managers
making that kind of money.

Our middle managers make $75-100K, plus bonus of about 20%.

They're not running nuthin'...and there isn't a mid-level manager in the
world that is worth what my General Practioner makes.

I suspect your GP makes a lot more, but has rather high expenses in
operating his practice.

Also, if I recall, George was in the telecommunications industry. With
the
increased competition in that field, the profit margins are way down.

Given they had to write off major infrastructure costs a few years back
(wasn't George referring to 2002?) their profit margins are probably damn
near zero.

I got laid off from the telecomm industry (Satellite Communications) in
2000. In a nineteen month period our company stock went from $13 a share to
$103, then down to the penny stocks...then Chapter 7. The company had been
in business since 1981.

Company I'm with now (again) will do about (we project) $68M in revenue from
eleven companies accross four lines of business. We think we will have a net
return about $12M to the five partners/owners. Each company has it's own
manager, whom is our employee as a middle manager.

All in all, in the heyday of theTelecom industry, I'm sure $150-250K was not
out of line. It was not such salaries that killed the companies, but the
gearing up in infrastructure for the internet (at the demand of the FCC)
that didn't materialize.








--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"G.R. Patterson III" writes:

"C. Paul Williams, MD" wrote:

Do you prefer flying a high wing or low wing
aircraft and why?...

John Price said that the question is usually settled the first time
you try to set up the lawn chairs in the shade of the wing at Sun'n
Fun.

Yes, high wing airplanes make fine stationary shade covers, which the
manly low wing pilot makes use of after he jauntily slides his canopy
back, climbs out and alights on terra firma.

David Megginson wrote:

The spar is typically below the floor -- I don't have a hump on the floor of
my Cherokee, and I don't remember ever seeing one in an airliner.

I've seen them on some of the twins used for shuttles.

George Patterson
If you don't tell lies, you never have to remember what you said.

Bill Denton wrote:

Please consider one extended...

Accepted. Sorta wondered where that came from.

George Patterson
If you don't tell lies, you never have to remember what you said.