The price of gas

Wasn't there an article in the WSJ a week or two ago where some oil company
execs said the regs weren't the primary issue?

I didn't look into it further. What's the problem? Failure of the
marketplace to place sufficient refining capacity on line? The price of
bringing more well capacity online is too high or unpalatable to the public?
What? Or is it working the way it's supposed to and there are just a bunch
of people annoyed at higher prices?

Are you an expert in the field (no pun intended) or just going with a gut
feeling? Just curious, because while I would gladly discuss with someone
with significant industry knowledge I really don't have any time to debate
environmental politics or with someone who bases their knowledge on one
party's propaganda (either one). No offense but it's late.


"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
et...
This doesn't sound right. Are you saying the "EPA and others," meaning
government regulation, reduced the oil well reserves?

Reserves (from the time) and known resources are much higher than what
we're
extracting.

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
et...
Wasn't there an article in the WSJ a week or two ago where some oil
company
execs said the regs weren't the primary issue?

I didn't look into it further. What's the problem? Failure of the
marketplace to place sufficient refining capacity on line?

If there's not enough capacity to meet the market demand, that would
indicate the market palce is not acting without significant interference.

The price of
bringing more well capacity online is too high or unpalatable to the
public?
What? Or is it working the way it's supposed to and there are just a
bunch
of people annoyed at higher prices?

Check out how much it costs to get past the EPA and the rest fo the
government alphabet soup to build refining capacity, to drill, or other
facilities.

Are you an expert in the field (no pun intended) or just going with a gut
feeling? Just curious, because while I would gladly discuss with someone
with significant industry knowledge I really don't have any time to debate
environmental politics or with someone who bases their knowledge on one
party's propaganda (either one). No offense but it's late.

No offense, but you can look up hard data, and stay away from the mainstream
media, who are not known as experts, either, not just party propaganda (in
my case the CATO Institute, which is non-partisan...they give Dem's and
Repug's both barrels)


"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
et...
This doesn't sound right. Are you saying the "EPA and others,"
meaning
government regulation, reduced the oil well reserves?

Reserves (from the time) and known resources are much higher than what
we're
extracting.

Check out how much it costs to get past the EPA and the rest fo the
government alphabet soup to build refining capacity, to drill, or other
facilities.

You can extend that statement to EVERYTHING nowadays.

You should see the cost of all the various EPA reports just for our airport
to extend a friggin' runway by a 1000 feet. It's incredible.

Best of all, we have paid this fee (really a "hidden" tax) over and over,
because OTHER government agencies have conspired to delay or change the
design of this runway a dozen times, over the last 10 of 15 years.

And each time the plan is changed, guess what? You need ANOTHER
"environmental impact statement"...

The company that contracts this service simply massages the old data,
reissues it in new book form, and cashes yet another check.

What a scam.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

You can extend that statement to EVERYTHING nowadays.

You should see the cost of all the various EPA reports just for our airport
to extend a friggin' runway by a 1000 feet. It's incredible.

Best of all, we have paid this fee (really a "hidden" tax) over and over,
because OTHER government agencies have conspired to delay or change the
design of this runway a dozen times, over the last 10 of 15 years.

And each time the plan is changed, guess what? You need ANOTHER
"environmental impact statement"...

The company that contracts this service simply massages the old data,
reissues it in new book form, and cashes yet another check.

What a scam.

WWW.lp.org

Are you ready yet? Or do you have to be punished some more?

I will be in Atlanta Memorial Day weekend for the Libertarian Party convention.
Those who can attend, should and those who cannot, it will be on C-Span.


--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

Perhaps your Libertarian party has some good ideas but at this time it is
not a serious contender and I don't see it as being one in the forseeable
future (there are many reasons for this and this isn't the appropriate place
to go into that discussion). The only thing you can hope for is that some
good ideas and concepts are adopted by one of the two big parties.


"Wdtabor" wrote in message
...

WWW.lp.org

Are you ready yet? Or do you have to be punished some more?

I will be in Atlanta Memorial Day weekend for the Libertarian Party
convention.
Those who can attend, should and those who cannot, it will be on C-Span.


--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

Perhaps your Libertarian party has some good ideas but at this time it is
not a serious contender and I don't see it as being one in the forseeable
future (there are many reasons for this and this isn't the appropriate place
to go into that discussion). The only thing you can hope for is that some
good ideas and concepts are adopted by one of the two big parties.

I agree that we are not serious contenders for the forseeable future in terms
of winning national elections. (However our local Libertarian candidate for
mayor of VA Beach came within 4 percent of unseating an 18 year incumbent
Democrat) and I look at the LP as more of a vehicle for introducing the
American ublic to some quaint ideas like freedom, self governance and personal
responsibility.

But if we get the FairTax through Congress, working with the GOP and a handful
of Democrats, we will be serious contenders from that time on.

Still, though I have to work with the GOP to get things done, I feel a lot
'cleaner' for being a Libertarian.

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

"Jay Honeck" writes:

Check out how much it costs to get past the EPA and the rest fo the
government alphabet soup to build refining capacity, to drill, or other
facilities.

You can extend that statement to EVERYTHING nowadays.

You should see the cost of all the various EPA reports just for our airport
to extend a friggin' runway by a 1000 feet. It's incredible.

Jay, as I recall, you haven't traveled outside of the country. Too
bad, 'cause then you could see the cost of living without something
like the EPA or other agencies.

With all their problems, the government alphabet agencies have made
this a better place to live. Have they done so in a perfectly
efficient manner? No. But I sure don't see a mass exodus from the
USA to Mexico, other 3rd world countries, or even to Europe. Maybe
we've got a somewhat balanced approach here.

"Bob Fry" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" writes:

Check out how much it costs to get past the EPA and the rest fo the
government alphabet soup to build refining capacity, to drill, or
other
facilities.

You can extend that statement to EVERYTHING nowadays.

You should see the cost of all the various EPA reports just for our
airport
to extend a friggin' runway by a 1000 feet. It's incredible.

Jay, as I recall, you haven't traveled outside of the country. Too
bad, 'cause then you could see the cost of living without something
like the EPA or other agencies.

False alternative.


With all their problems, the government alphabet agencies have made
this a better place to live. Have they done so in a perfectly
efficient manner? No.

And the Holocaust and the Stalin Purges were just frat pranks that got out
of hand.

But I sure don't see a mass exodus from the
USA to Mexico, other 3rd world countries, or even to Europe.

You should read more.

Maybe
we've got a somewhat balanced approach here.

It's not balanced at all. What's more, total stupidity in other countries
doesn't excuse blatant stupidity (or corruption) here.

"Tom Sixkiller" writes:

Jay, as I recall, you haven't traveled outside of the country. Too
bad, 'cause then you could see the cost of living without something
like the EPA or other agencies.

False alternative.

How so?

With all their problems, the government alphabet agencies have made
this a better place to live. Have they done so in a perfectly
efficient manner? No.

And the Holocaust and the Stalin Purges were just frat pranks that got out
of hand.

??Hello, are we discussing the same subject? Regulation?

You should read more.

Reading is good. I read a lot. But there's no substitute for direct,
first-hand knowledge.

Maybe
we've got a somewhat balanced approach here.

It's not balanced at all. What's more, total stupidity in other countries
doesn't excuse blatant stupidity (or corruption) here.

It's somewhat balanced. You seem to have extreme views so I can see
how anything more than anarchy would disappoint you.

"Bob Fry" wrote in message
...
"Tom Sixkiller" writes:

Jay, as I recall, you haven't traveled outside of the country. Too
bad, 'cause then you could see the cost of living without something
like the EPA or other agencies.

False alternative.

How so?

Your logic states (more or less directly...it's called "drawing a logical
conclusion") you either have our EPA of the environment is a shambles.

Technically, "False Dilemma" - From the logical Fallacies Index --
http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/distract/fd.htm