The price of gas

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:Z91sc.99636$xw3.5914852@attbi_s04...
Check out how much it costs to get past the EPA and the rest fo the
government alphabet soup to build refining capacity, to drill, or other
facilities.

You can extend that statement to EVERYTHING nowadays.

You should see the cost of all the various EPA reports just for our
airport
to extend a friggin' runway by a 1000 feet. It's incredible.

You should see the OSHA crap we run through. Our friggin' insurance company
got our accident rate down to a fourth what it was when OSHA was running it
all (and it was still rising).


Best of all, we have paid this fee (really a "hidden" tax) over and over,
because OTHER government agencies have conspired to delay or change the
design of this runway a dozen times, over the last 10 of 15 years.

Don't get me started! :~)

Sometime I'll fly out there and let my boss tell you about the 14.5 acre
mini-mall he was trying to build that cost over $2MILLION just to get past
the EPA crap, and bribes...ahemmm, campaign contributions, before the first
shovel full of dirt was turned. That was in friggin' South Dakota.


And each time the plan is changed, guess what? You need ANOTHER
"environmental impact statement"...

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!


The company that contracts this service simply massages the old data,
reissues it in new book form, and cashes yet another check.

What a scam.

Bet they got some nice retired gub'mint types working for them.

You should see the OSHA crap we run through. Our friggin' insurance company
got our accident rate down to a fourth what it was when OSHA was running it
all (and it was still rising).


There is nothing OSHA does that your business insurance underwriter cannot do
better and cheaper.

Likewise, there is nothing that the EPA does that could not be done better
through strict liability for damages to the property of others enforced through
the courts.

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

Jay Honeck wrote:

You can extend that statement to EVERYTHING nowadays.

You should see the cost of all the various EPA reports just for our airport
to extend a friggin' runway by a 1000 feet. It's incredible.

But you don't have competitors that don't have to deal with the EPA. American oil
companies do.

George Patterson
I childproofed my house, but they *still* get in.

When it is profitable enough then more refining capacity will be built. On
the production side, the market is telling you that it is not very
attractive to drill at recent prices.

Mike
MU-2

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
et...
Wasn't there an article in the WSJ a week or two ago where some oil
company
execs said the regs weren't the primary issue?

I didn't look into it further. What's the problem? Failure of the
marketplace to place sufficient refining capacity on line? The price of
bringing more well capacity online is too high or unpalatable to the
public?
What? Or is it working the way it's supposed to and there are just a
bunch
of people annoyed at higher prices?

Are you an expert in the field (no pun intended) or just going with a gut
feeling? Just curious, because while I would gladly discuss with someone
with significant industry knowledge I really don't have any time to debate
environmental politics or with someone who bases their knowledge on one
party's propaganda (either one). No offense but it's late.


"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
et...
This doesn't sound right. Are you saying the "EPA and others,"
meaning
government regulation, reduced the oil well reserves?

Reserves (from the time) and known resources are much higher than what
we're
extracting.

When it is profitable enough then more refining capacity will be built.
On
the production side, the market is telling you that it is not very
attractive to drill at recent prices.

I was under the impression that restrictive EPA regulations had essentially
halted new refinery construction?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" writes:

When it is profitable enough then more refining capacity will be built.
On
the production side, the market is telling you that it is not very
attractive to drill at recent prices.

I was under the impression that restrictive EPA regulations had essentially
halted new refinery construction?

Caveat: I know as much about the refinery business as Jay ;-)

EPA regulations don't "halt new refinery construction." Their
safeguards no doubt make it more expensive. My guess is the same as
an earlier poster: until the price of gasoline rises enough to pay for
the extra costs, new refineries won't be built. It's pretty simple.
Awww, now we can't fly our toys for cheap.

Don't like it? Write your representatives and vote. Or move to any
3rd world country where the same multi-national corporations regularly
destroy the surrounding environment and have periodic disasters with
their equipment, killing people and causing further damage. It's not
that they're particularly evil or even greedy, they're just doing
business according to the local rules. Ours are tougher.

Bob Fry wrote:

Awww, now we can't fly our toys for cheap.

So now gas is 27% of the cost of ownership instead of 25%?


All the best,


David

"Bob Fry" wrote in message
...
"Jay Honeck" writes:

When it is profitable enough then more refining capacity will be
built.
On
the production side, the market is telling you that it is not very
attractive to drill at recent prices.

I was under the impression that restrictive EPA regulations had
essentially
halted new refinery construction?

Caveat: I know as much about the refinery business as Jay ;-)

EPA regulations don't "halt new refinery construction." Their
safeguards no doubt make it more expensive.

The cost of the initial PAPERWORK runs into $$$BBBBILLIONS, much less the
actual construction.

"Tom Sixkiller" writes:

The cost of the initial PAPERWORK runs into $$$BBBBILLIONS, much less the
actual construction.

Wow! Imagine all the paper! Why, I'll bet it reaches from here to my
front door!

Imagine, Tom, if you could post something other than myths from talk
radio...

new refineries won't be built.

We can and do import gasoline already refined. That way we export the
mess elsewhere.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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