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Old May 25th 04, 01:03 AM
David Megginson
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Dan Luke wrote:

There weren't that many German night fighters so if the
entire bomber swarm passed through the sector together,
the night fighter would not get an opportunity to attack
multiple targets. They basically took off, headed for an
assembly point and turned for the
target when they reached it.


You sure about that? I thought the Brit bombers attacked in a "bomber
stream" rather than any kind of group formation.


I'm not sure about the British, but the American bombers flying out of the
UK used a box formation -- I think it was three levels high -- and that
requires a fair bit of choreography to set up. In any case, there are many
gradations of visibility between inside a cloud and severe clear.

In THE FOG OF WAR, Robert McNamara talks about how he worked as a
statistician for General Curtis LeMay when LeMay was in charge of the Flying
Fortresses out of the U.K. in 1943. After having too many planes abort
missions because of faulty oxygen systems, engine problems, etc. LeMay
(according to McNamara) declared that the next crew who turned back for any
reason would be court-martialed. That's a strong disincentive for turning
back just because the visibility is low.


All the best,


David
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Old May 25th 04, 03:39 AM
Jay Beckman
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"David Megginson" wrote in message
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I'm not sure about the British, but the American bombers flying out of the
UK used a box formation -- I think it was three levels high -- and that
requires a fair bit of choreography to set up. In any case, there are

many
gradations of visibility between inside a cloud and severe clear.

In THE FOG OF WAR, Robert McNamara talks about how he worked as a
statistician for General Curtis LeMay when LeMay was in charge of the

Flying
Fortresses out of the U.K. in 1943. After having too many planes abort
missions because of faulty oxygen systems, engine problems, etc. LeMay
(according to McNamara) declared that the next crew who turned back for

any
reason would be court-martialed. That's a strong disincentive for turning
back just because the visibility is low.


All the best,


David


Pour engourage les autres...

Jay B


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Old May 25th 04, 10:16 AM
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On Tue, 25 May 2004 00:03:40 GMT, David Megginson
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In THE FOG OF WAR, Robert McNamara talks about


This video has been recommended to me. Is it worth seeing? (I'm not
interested in a Michael Moore screed. I get all that stuff I can stand
on the local cocktail party circuit.)

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Old May 25th 04, 02:00 PM
David Megginson
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Cub Driver wrote:

In THE FOG OF WAR, Robert McNamara talks about


This video has been recommended to me. Is it worth seeing? (I'm not
interested in a Michael Moore screed. I get all that stuff I can stand
on the local cocktail party circuit.)


Yes, THE FOG OF WAR is the kind of documentary that *should* have won a
Palme d'Or. Try to see it in a theatre if you can -- I was trembling when I
walked out, and I'm not easily moved or impressed by documentaries.


All the best,


David
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Old May 26th 04, 11:32 AM
Cub Driver
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Thanks, David. I'll put it in the queue

On Tue, 25 May 2004 13:00:52 GMT, David Megginson
wrote:

Cub Driver wrote:

In THE FOG OF WAR, Robert McNamara talks about


This video has been recommended to me. Is it worth seeing? (I'm not
interested in a Michael Moore screed. I get all that stuff I can stand
on the local cocktail party circuit.)


Yes, THE FOG OF WAR is the kind of documentary that *should* have won a
Palme d'Or. Try to see it in a theatre if you can -- I was trembling when I
walked out, and I'm not easily moved or impressed by documentaries.


All the best,


David


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

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