Almost saw someone crash

Flying doesn't have to be outrageously expensive - there are many ways
to afford flying on even a modest income.

This is my gospel, Dylan -- I preach it everywhere I go.

I am sick to death of people pronouncing that flying is "unaffordable."
That's just a cop-out used by failing businesses to explain why they don't
have any customers.

Compared to many recreational activities, flying is cheap -- period. If
you can afford a new car -- and tens of millions can -- you can easily
afford to fly.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
Compared to many recreational activities, flying is cheap -- period. If
you can afford a new car -- and tens of millions can -- you can easily
afford to fly.

I don't think you can really describe it as "cheap". If you rent, and
pinch your pennies, it can be affordable, but not "cheap". Not everyone
lives in Iowa.

--- Jay


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Compared to many recreational activities, flying is cheap -- period.
If
you can afford a new car -- and tens of millions can -- you can easily
afford to fly.

I don't think you can really describe it as "cheap". If you rent, and
pinch your pennies, it can be affordable, but not "cheap". Not everyone
lives in Iowa.

I said "compared to many recreational activities, flying is cheap" -- which
is a whole different thing than saying "flying is cheap."

Everything is relative. Compared to golfing in Scotland, or owning a 42
foot yacht, flying is DIRT cheap. Compared to bowling, it's pretty spendy.

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article TLrtc.8088$n_6.4236@attbi_s53, Jay Honeck wrote:
Compared to many recreational activities, flying is cheap -- period.
If
you can afford a new car -- and tens of millions can -- you can easily
afford to fly.

I don't think you can really describe it as "cheap". If you rent, and
pinch your pennies, it can be affordable, but not "cheap". Not everyone
lives in Iowa.

I said "compared to many recreational activities, flying is cheap" -- which
is a whole different thing than saying "flying is cheap."

Everything is relative. Compared to golfing in Scotland, or owning a 42
foot yacht, flying is DIRT cheap. Compared to bowling, it's pretty spendy.

Compared to many recreational activities, flying is expensive.
Everything is relative. Compared to golfing on my computer (Tiger Woods
2004), playing soccer with friends, watching TV, flying is INCREDIBLY
expensive. Okay, never mind me! Point made by the original poster - if
you can afford a new car, and indeed tens of millions can, you can
easily afford to fly and that's the truth!

On Thu, 27 May 2004 20:17:53 GMT, Mark McNally
wrote:

Point made by the original poster - if
you can afford a new car, and indeed tens of millions can, you can
easily afford to fly and that's the truth!

I can afford to fly, barely. I really can't afford to go anywhere
using the rental so I'm limited to just wafting around the local
countryside. Fun, but limiting.

I'll have to wait till I get my homebuilt finished and the time flown
off to be able to afford to go somewhere without having to rob a bank
to pay for it.

I can't imagine how much that Polish guy paid for the rental 172 he
flew across the US and back.

Corky Scott

I can afford to fly, barely. I really can't afford to go anywhere
using the rental so I'm limited to just wafting around the local
countryside. Fun, but limiting.

Yeah, it's a funny thing about flying. Renting is sooo expensive "per trip"
that you always think twice before going anywhere.

*Buying*, on the other hand, is sooo expensive up-front -- way more
expensive then renting -- but then you tend to forget all about it after the
initial pain. Because of this financial amnesia, you fly a heckuva lot
more, simply because the "per-trip" cost is so low -- really just the cost
of gas.

Either way you cut it, if you took the amount you'd put into buying a new
2004 Toyota, you could buy a really nice little Cessna 150 and fly the pants
off of it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article 5SGtc.58$3x.29@attbi_s54, Jay Honeck wrote:
*Buying*, on the other hand, is sooo expensive up-front -- way more
expensive then renting -- but then you tend to forget all about it after the
initial pain.

When you own the economics change hugely. All the costs are incremental
in renting, where as only a small fraction of the cost is incremental
when you own. I found during the ownership of the C140, most of the
costs - including many maintenance costs - were fixed and you paid them
whether you flew 10 hours a year or 300 hours a year. The vast majority
of the annual inspection was the actual bits that had to be done whether
you flew the plane or not. The hangar fees still had to be paid, the
insurance still had to be paid etc.

That meant that flying an additional hour was very cheap, mainly fuel, a
little for oil, and a little for maintenance reserve. Instead of
thinking 'It's going to cost $BIGNUM to fly another hour' as you do with
a rental, it was 'I'm going to have to pay $BIGNUM per year anyway, and
it only costs $SMALLNUM to fly an additional hour. Let's go flying.' I
flew three times as many hours as an owner compared to renting.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

In article 5SGtc.58$3x.29@attbi_s54, Jay Honeck wrote:
Either way you cut it, if you took the amount you'd put into buying a new
2004 Toyota, you could buy a really nice little Cessna 150 and fly the pants
off it

.... especially when you consider the depreciation on that Toyota, which
you just don't have with a C150 of the same price.

wrote in message . ..
I can't imagine how much that Polish guy paid for the rental 172 he
flew across the US and back.

About $4100, $61 per hour :-)

It's pretty cheap, especially considering prices of flying in
Europe... And for such distance you would have to learn aviation laws
and airspace structures on 10 countries on the way or more...

And flying was about 60% of all costs - motels, car rentals, flying to
USA and back etc add pretty quickly, actually much quicker I expected.

Still, I think it's money well spend :-)
--
Filip Zawadiak
PP-ASEL 137hr
http://vyx.net/~philz/coast2coast

In article TLrtc.8088$n_6.4236@attbi_s53,
I said "compared to many recreational activities, flying is cheap" -- which
is a whole different thing than saying "flying is cheap."

Everything is relative. Compared to golfing in Scotland, or owning a 42
foot yacht, flying is DIRT cheap. Compared to bowling, it's pretty spendy.

I'm a full time student, and for me flying is not cheap. In fact I took
out student loans to get my PPL. A lot of guys my age (29) are getting
married and having kids. If you make ~$25-35k/yr and have a family,
flying is really sort of out of the question for most people.
I think that flying is more affordable than most people think, but
clearly running a FBO or aviation school is difficult because it's based
on ones discretionary income. How to make a small fortune in aviation and
all that
Here in Seattle renting is pretty price. Local clubs charge as much as
$100/hr for a C152. Plus housing isn't cheap so that's less money for
flying. etc. etc.
Most people can not by a 42ft yacht either thou