They're like the energizer bunny...

I need to clone myself.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


Funny this coming from a guy with two kids

I do feel for your situation. True they may view this as a "good thing", as
you said, this is only a short-term view. One of the problems I see in
politics/business/people's lives overall I'm afraid. Short-term thinking
only works when it's tied to a long-term goal. Would it be possible to work
with the city on a new organization for the long term? The city would run
things for 3 years say, with the goal of having an organization setup that
would be run by members of the city council and some outside people as well?
Ie, a leadership of 5 people, comprised of 2 city council people, 2 people
from the airport itself (FBO manager, etc.) and one floating person (Pilot
based on the field, etc.) This way there is representation from all
interested parties, with no one group in control who might have their
motivations swayed away from the best interests of the airport/community.
Just typing out loud here, this may be a completely dumb way of doing
things, but that's why I'm an engineer, not a politician/organization head.
I just think that as you say, no one has any time, and I doubt that City
Councilors have more time than anyone else, and you'll see things at the
airport atrophy over time because of this.


--
Louis L. Perley III
N46000

You have committed the cardinal sin of building coalition, and that is by not
including all the stakeholders. Jay said that the bitch bunch was the
university folks, so they HAVE to have a seat at the table. It is probably true
that right now they feel that they have no voice on the Commission, so their
mantra is "do away with the Commission".

One city councilperson, one airport employee, one interested airport user, and
two "general public" seats.

However, as Stalin so aptly noted, "We don't care who votes. We care who
counts." The crux of the situation is defining each of the categories and
figuring out how to impartially appoint the Commission. Perhaps you might want
to divvy the two gp seats up by district, and being sure that the university has
the predominant influence in at least one of the districts. Or, you could go so
far as to replace one of the general public seats with a person appointed by the
president (chancellor, superintendent...etc.) of the university.

If ALL the stakeholders buy into the plan, it is hard for them to later say that
they didn't have their fair concerns taken into account.

Jim




-Ie, a leadership of 5 people, comprised of 2 city council people, 2 people
-from the airport itself (FBO manager, etc.) and one floating person (Pilot
-based on the field, etc.) This way there is representation from all
-interested parties, with no one group in control who might have their
-motivations swayed away from the best interests of the airport/community.


Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

"Jim Weir" wrote in message Jay said that the bitch bunch was the
university folks, so they HAVE to have a seat at the table.

Governor Jim, this might be the time for your 'run for office' lecture. If
Jay were on the commission, the airport's future would be more secure.

D.

However, as Stalin so aptly noted, "We don't care who votes. We care who
counts." The crux of the situation is defining each of the categories and
figuring out how to impartially appoint the Commission. Perhaps you might
want
to divvy the two gp seats up by district, and being sure that the
university has
the predominant influence in at least one of the districts. Or, you could
go so
far as to replace one of the general public seats with a person appointed
by the
president (chancellor, superintendent...etc.) of the university.

That's the funny thing -- the city council, so opposed to the airport
commission -- APPOINTS members to the commission!

They have been hand-picked by the very body that now wants to kill them.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:bGYzc.59005$HG.52466@attbi_s53...
However, as Stalin so aptly noted, "We don't care who votes. We care
who
counts."
That's the funny thing -- the city council, so opposed to the airport
commission -- APPOINTS members to the commission!

Hmmm...yup, sounds just like Stalin.

"We don't care who votes. We care
who
counts."

That sounds like something the machine politicians in Chicago would say also.
When I lived there was a precinct election board where the republican member
was appointed by the machine and came from the same household as the democrat
member. (I told my wife to bury me in chicago, that way I could still vote.!)
Mitch
Luscombe 8A

In article bGYzc.59005$HG.52466@attbi_s53, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

That's the funny thing -- the city council, so opposed to the airport
commission -- APPOINTS members to the commission!

They have been hand-picked by the very body that now wants to kill them.

If the city council picks the commission, then is it accurate to
say that the city council controls commission?

If so, then dumping the commission isn't the real problem.

What am I missing here?

--
Bob Noel

What am I missing here?

You tell me and we'll both know.

The council wants more and better control over the airport finances. They
apparently can't imagine a better way to get it than to sack the commission.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
The council wants more and better control over the airport finances. They
apparently can't imagine a better way to get it than to sack the commission.


You DEFINITELY don't want that. Our Ocean City Council micro-manages
every aspect of our airport. At a recent budget meeting, the Council sat
around trying to figure out how much to raise the hangar rents. There
were 3 different levels of rates, depending on how new and well equipped
the hangar was. They decided this was too difficult and have decided to
make them all the same price. As a result, my $161 hangar is going up to
$225. A 40% increase. Of course, the people who were paying $188 are
also going up to $225. A 20% increase. City Councils should not get
involved with running an airport. They're idiots.

--- Jay


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Jay and Teresa Masino ___(_)___
http://www2.ari.net/jmasino ! ! !
http://www.oceancityairport.com
http://www.oc-adolfos.com

And by how many votes did you say you lost by in the last election? One of the
perogatives of running and losing is getting bitching rights for the next four
years. Otherwise, it is just whining.

Jim



(Jay Masino)
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

City Councils should not get
-involved with running an airport. They're idiots.
-
---- Jay


Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com