what would you do?

What does "report her" mean? Why should the FSDO care what I say when I
"report" a fellow pilot? Is there a procedure for this? I don't know - I
just don't like the idea that an overly officious fellow pilot would decide
to "report me" if they were unhappy with my piloting. A few weeks ago I was
accosted on the ramp by a pilot who was upset that I used too much runway in
my landing and caused him to go around. (I didn't say anything, but I kind
of wondered why he was following me so closely around the pattern.) The jerk
was yelling at me that if I couldn't land shorter than that I shouldn't be
landing at "his" airport. I can just picture him "reporting" me, and having
to deal with a FSDO investigation or some such thing.

Michael



"gatt" wrote in message
...

Report her. She might not deserve the favor, and she might not appreciate
it, but it might be the best thing you could do for her, any passengers
she
might carry, and the safety of GA as a whole.

-c

\

"Michael 182" wrote in message
news:cwGBc.70661$Hg2.7085@attbi_s04...
What does "report her" mean? Why should the FSDO care what I say when I
"report" a fellow pilot?

They are the ones in charge of enforcing the FARs.

Is there a procedure for this?

Pick up the phone, dial the number, tell them what you saw and heard.

I don't know - I
just don't like the idea that an overly officious fellow pilot would
decide
to "report me" if they were unhappy with my piloting.

Me either. But still, what else are you going to do?

How do you feel about calling the police if someone breaks into your house?
I mean, you wouldn't want YOUR neighbor calling the police tell them YOU
broke into THEIR house, would you? By your logic, you ought to just ignore
the guy breaking into your own house.

[...] I can just picture him "reporting" me, and having
to deal with a FSDO investigation or some such thing.

Had he reported you, I doubt anything of substance would have happened. In
any case, you can always sue him for slander.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...
"Michael 182" wrote in message
news:cwGBc.70661$Hg2.7085@attbi_s04...
What does "report her" mean? Why should the FSDO care what I say when I
"report" a fellow pilot?

They are the ones in charge of enforcing the FARs.

Right, but it is my word against hers. Why should they believe me?


Is there a procedure for this?

Pick up the phone, dial the number, tell them what you saw and heard.

I don't know - I
just don't like the idea that an overly officious fellow pilot would
decide
to "report me" if they were unhappy with my piloting.

Me either. But still, what else are you going to do?

How do you feel about calling the police if someone breaks into your
house?
I mean, you wouldn't want YOUR neighbor calling the police tell them YOU
broke into THEIR house, would you? By your logic, you ought to just
ignore
the guy breaking into your own house.

No, that doesn't follow, Peter. I have no problem reporting (some) crimes to
the police. Her piloting may have been unsafe, but it was not a crime.


[...] I can just picture him "reporting" me, and having
to deal with a FSDO investigation or some such thing.

Had he reported you, I doubt anything of substance would have happened.
In
any case, you can always sue him for slander.

Ugh, litigation - the worst possible result.


Pete

Michael 182 wrote:

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...

They are the ones in charge of enforcing the FARs.

Right, but it is my word against hers. Why should they believe me?

You forget. This is the FAA. Believing you gives them an opportunity to investigate a
pilot. She is guilty until proven innocent.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


Michael 182 wrote:

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...

They are the ones in charge of enforcing the FARs.

Right, but it is my word against hers. Why should they believe me?

You forget. This is the FAA. Believing you gives them an opportunity to
investigate a
pilot. She is guilty until proven innocent.

Yeah, that's kind of what I'm worried about...


George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

"Michael 182" wrote in message
news:KjLBc.69040$2i5.6820@attbi_s52...
Right, but it is my word against hers. Why should they believe me?

It's highly unlikely that a single report would cause anything to happen.
But if the FSDO hears from several people about the same person, there's
probably something to that. You can be assured that the FSDO isn't going to
base their entire case on your word. However, your word may be just what
they need to take a closer look at a pilot who needs a closer look.

How do you feel about calling the police if someone breaks into your
house?
I mean, you wouldn't want YOUR neighbor calling the police tell them YOU
broke into THEIR house, would you? By your logic, you ought to just
ignore
the guy breaking into your own house.

No, that doesn't follow, Peter. I have no problem reporting (some) crimes
to
the police. Her piloting may have been unsafe, but it was not a crime.

Of course it follows. The behavior not being a crime is irrelevant, and in
any case it may well be a crime (ever heard of "reckless endangerment"?).

The point is that you are saying that because you wouldn't want someone to
falsely report you of doing something, that you wouldn't want to truthfully
report someone else of doing the same thing. That attitude makes no sense,
and it really doesn't matter whether the "thing" being done has been
labelled as "illegal" or simply "against the regulations".

Had he reported you, I doubt anything of substance would have happened.
In
any case, you can always sue him for slander.

Ugh, litigation - the worst possible result.

So don't sue. I was just pointing out that it's not like a falsely accused
person doesn't have recourse. We're not really talking about you being
reported. We're talking about someone else being reported, and a person who
has actually done something worth reporting at that.

Pete

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:59:20 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

We're not really talking about you being
reported. We're talking about someone else being reported, and a person who
has actually done something worth reporting at that.


It shouldn't matter Who is being reported. How do you know this
person has done something worth reporting? Because of a post on the
internet? I've read the thread and have seen some people point out
imperfections in the procedures used by the original poster as well as
a very colorful story about what seems to be a pilot still in need of
some education. However I certainly did not learn a sufficient number
of facts on the "alleged incident" (for the lawyers out there) to
state anyone should be reported for possible legal action.

I really am amazed at how quickly this group seems to hang people and
almost unanimously declare that someone should be referred to the
authorities when all they really have to go by is one persons opinion.

It's almost as if no one here has ever made a mistake, and that they
are as close to perfect pilots as anyone can be.

My 2 cents.
z

"zatatime" wrote in message
...
It shouldn't matter Who is being reported. How do you know this
person has done something worth reporting? Because of a post on the
internet?

No one is proposing reporting a pilot solely on the basis of what they've
read on this newsgroup. The only person to whom it's being suggested that
the pilot be reported is the person who actually observed the actions.

If that person cannot make a final determination as to whether to report the
person, who can? All we are saying is that if the events transpired as
described, that's a reportable offense. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's almost as if no one here has ever made a mistake, and that they
are as close to perfect pilots as anyone can be.

I have no idea where you got that impression. Perhaps you could quote some
posts that led you to it. It sure seems like you pulled that conclusion out
of your ass, given the utter lack of supporting statements within this
thread to justify it.

Pete

Ok... suppose YOU were the FAA... and the incident occured exactly the way it
was portrayed in the original post, and it was reported to the FAA (you).

What would you (were you the FAA) do?

Jose

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(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:45:34 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

"zatatime" wrote in message
.. .
It shouldn't matter Who is being reported. How do you know this
person has done something worth reporting? Because of a post on the
internet?

No one is proposing reporting a pilot solely on the basis of what they've
read on this newsgroup. The only person to whom it's being suggested that
the pilot be reported is the person who actually observed the actions.

If that person cannot make a final determination as to whether to report the
person, who can? All we are saying is that if the events transpired as
described, that's a reportable offense. Nothing more, nothing less.
And that person is using input from this group as a barometer for his
actions. When strong opinions are shared from people he may trust
those opinions weigh more heavily into the equation than random
comments. If the people making those opinions were not there to
witness it they really don't know what transpired.


It's almost as if no one here has ever made a mistake, and that they
are as close to perfect pilots as anyone can be.

I have no idea where you got that impression. Perhaps you could quote some
posts that led you to it. It sure seems like you pulled that conclusion out
of your ass, given the utter lack of supporting statements within this
thread to justify it.

From time to time we see a "What Would You Do" type of post.
Generally the crowd chants Take Action with the Feds. This opinion
did not come out of my ass at all, but is based on what I have seen
here over time. I don't live for usenet (although I use it regularly)
so I'm not going to research history for the sake of sharing an
opinion. It wouldn't be time well spent.

Don't take it so personally.

z