Oops... Airliner lands at the wrong airport...

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Tom Sixkiller wrote:

It seems to be the major "thought curve" of the MBA schools, right after
"bean counting", is "excuse making".

Judging from the experience of my wife and sister, both of whom have MBA
or MTS
degrees, this is not taught.

Not as a class by that name, but under the heading of "Public Relations", or
"Investor Relations" :~)

As far as I can tell from my own experience, it's either
a natural talent some people have, or it comes as on-the-job training.

Mostly the latter enhanced by the former! :~(

When was the last time you every heard some CEO just say "Hey...we screwed
up!". Pretty rare. No, it's "There's too much regulation" or "We can't get
good people". Tom Peters madea career of making fun of those types.

(Maybe I had a odd upbringing, but we used to call that "immaturity".)

At the public terminal where I fly out of (Troutdale) there's a photo of a
United 707 that mistook Troutdale for Portland International. Imagine
landing a jet and realizing that the 11,000 feet of runway you expected is
only 5,000 feet long. They had to strip the plane of all excess weight and
bring it a special pilot to get the plane out. The pilot who landed it rode
the plane out with the stand-in crew. Was probably his last flight with the
airline.

-c

Tom Sixkiller wrote:

It seems to be the major "thought curve" of the MBA schools, right after
"bean counting", is "excuse making".

Geez. So EVERYBODY'S inept but Tom, huh?

-c

Spoken by someone who, I suspect, has never completed an MBA program.

Michael
(MBA, Kenan-Flagler Business School, Univ. of N.C. at Chapel Hill, 1982)


"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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It seems to be the major "thought curve" of the MBA schools, right after
"bean counting", is "excuse making".

"Michael 182" wrote in message
news:fzGBc.154929$Ly.27857@attbi_s01...
Spoken by someone who, I suspect, has never completed an MBA program.


You'd be wrong.

Michael
(MBA, Kenan-Flagler Business School, Univ. of N.C. at Chapel Hill, 1982)


"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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It seems to be the major "thought curve" of the MBA schools, right after
"bean counting", is "excuse making".

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:52:41 GMT, "Richard Kaplan"
wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Central/0....ap/index.html


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Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com

I'm amazed that in today's paranoid environment that the airliner
wan't intercepted prior to landing. Surely, the base radar could see
where they were going. I'm surprised that they were allowed to land,
especially seeing that they were told to pull the shades and don't
peek. I don't know what it is they weren't supposed to see, but they
clearly didn't want an uninvited civilian airplane on their property.
If we can't perform an intercept where the planes actually are, how
are we going to scramble and go get them somewhere else?

Rich Russell

Richard Russell wrote:

If we can't perform an intercept where the planes actually are, how
are we going to scramble and go get them somewhere else?

The interceptors were likely sent to Rapid City.

- Andrew

"Richard Russell" wrote in message
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I'm amazed that in today's paranoid environment that the airliner
wan't intercepted prior to landing. Surely, the base radar could see
where they were going.

Especially since Ellsworth provides Approach Control for Rapid City's
airport.

I'm surprised that they were allowed to land,
especially seeing that they were told to pull the shades and don't
peek. I don't know what it is they weren't supposed to see,

B-2 bombers.

but they
clearly didn't want an uninvited civilian airplane on their property.
If we can't perform an intercept where the planes actually are, how
are we going to scramble and go get them somewhere else?

Even when we provide them AppCtrl.

In article , gatt wrote:

At the public terminal where I fly out of (Troutdale) there's a photo of a
United 707 that mistook Troutdale for Portland International. Imagine
landing a jet and realizing that the 11,000 feet of runway you expected is
only 5,000 feet long. They had to strip the plane of all excess weight and
bring it a special pilot to get the plane out.

Anyone know what the balanced field length for a minimum-fuel 707 would
have been? Considering how much of an airliner's weight is fuel and cargo,
it seems like it would have been fairly short.

I didn't find anything much on the web about it -- not suprising considering
how long it's been since they were first-line aircraft. I *did* find a 737 training
manual that was pretty interesting.

Mike Beede

The backseat drivers will come out and blast the pilot, crew,
controllers, flight attendants and lineboy for this screwup, but you
know, stuff happens.

In the 1970s (I think) an airliner landed at then Moffett Naval Air
Station instead of San Jose Muni.

Just a few months ago a tri-engine Falcon Jet--I don't know which
model--landed by mistake at University Airport (3185 x 50 ft.) instead
of nearby Yolo Airport (6000 x 100 ft.) The pilot hit the reverse
thrust before the nosewheel touched down...better pilot skill than
judgement.

Stuff happens. Be glad it doesn't happen to you.