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Tom Sixkiller wrote: "Bob Fry" wrote in message ... "Tom Sixkiller" writes: On 21 Jun 2004 18:22:59 -0700, Bob Fry wrote: Just a few months ago a tri-engine Falcon Jet--I don't know which model--landed by mistake at University Airport (3185 x 50 ft.) instead of nearby Yolo Airport (6000 x 100 ft.) The pilot hit the reverse thrust before the nosewheel touched down...better pilot skill than judgement. I'd sell tickets to the guy's takeoff when he tries to leave.Even a straight wing Citation couldn't get out of that mess. He got out no problem. The first and probably last time we saw a jet blasting over West Davis. Any idea of how much room he had to spare...or at what point he reached the go/no-go point? :~) If it was the same pilot, I'd have to think that his judgment, as you mentioned, leaves something to be desired. How much Falcon time do you have and what do you base that on? Haven't been following Tom's rants much, have you? He doesn't allow his lack of experience or knowlege to keep him from pontificating on a wide variety of subjects. |
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![]() "Greg" wrote in message ... Tom Sixkiller wrote: "Bob Fry" wrote in message ... "Tom Sixkiller" writes: On 21 Jun 2004 18:22:59 -0700, Bob Fry wrote: Just a few months ago a tri-engine Falcon Jet--I don't know which model--landed by mistake at University Airport (3185 x 50 ft.) instead of nearby Yolo Airport (6000 x 100 ft.) The pilot hit the reverse thrust before the nosewheel touched down...better pilot skill than judgement. I'd sell tickets to the guy's takeoff when he tries to leave.Even a straight wing Citation couldn't get out of that mess. He got out no problem. The first and probably last time we saw a jet blasting over West Davis. Any idea of how much room he had to spare...or at what point he reached the go/no-go point? :~) If it was the same pilot, I'd have to think that his judgment, as you mentioned, leaves something to be desired. How much Falcon time do you have and what do you base that on? Let's see -- the pilot (hopefully experienced) had to hit the reversers before the nosewheel was down. When I think of all the accidents in the NTSB database... Yeah, I'm sure he could (and in fact DID) get out. And when something goes POP, then rehash what an idiot the guy was. |
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![]() Tom Sixkiller wrote: I'd sell tickets to the guy's takeoff when he tries to leave.Even a straight wing Citation couldn't get out of that mess. Most Citations would have no problem getting out of there. The III, VI, and VII models might have to be trucked out; I don't have minimum fuel performance specs. George Patterson None of us is as dumb as all of us. |
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![]() "G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... Tom Sixkiller wrote: I'd sell tickets to the guy's takeoff when he tries to leave.Even a straight wing Citation couldn't get out of that mess. Most Citations would have no problem getting out of there. The III, VI, and VII models might have to be trucked out; I don't have minimum fuel performance specs. A CJ would be about 2700 feet using short field techniques. Like I said, though, virtually no room for error. |
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![]() "WIACapt" wrote in message ... From: "Tom Sixkiller" Date: 6/28/2004 03:01 Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: "G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... Tom Sixkiller wrote: I'd sell tickets to the guy's takeoff when he tries to leave.Even a straight wing Citation couldn't get out of that mess. Most Citations would have no problem getting out of there. The III, VI, and VII models might have to be trucked out; I don't have minimum fuel performance specs. A CJ would be about 2700 feet using short field techniques. Like I said, though, virtually no room for error. And what kind of "short field" technique would that be? Catapult. Okay...I misunderstood the situation. Sorry....don't beat me no mo' massa. Ya'all the big shot experts. I guess I'll have to find another source for discussion. |
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![]() "WIACapt" wrote in message ... From: "Tom Sixkiller" Date: 6/28/2004 03:01 Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: "G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... Tom Sixkiller wrote: I'd sell tickets to the guy's takeoff when he tries to leave.Even a straight wing Citation couldn't get out of that mess. Most Citations would have no problem getting out of there. The III, VI, and VII models might have to be trucked out; I don't have minimum fuel performance specs. A CJ would be about 2700 feet using short field techniques. Like I said, though, virtually no room for error. And what kind of "short field" technique would that be? Throttles . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SET FOR TAKEOFF Slowly and smoothly apply power while referencing the engine instruments. A rolling takeoff may be used with sufficient runway available, but it should be remembered that Flight Manual takeoff N1 settings assume a static runup. |
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![]() Tom Sixkiller wrote: On 21 Jun 2004 18:22:59 -0700, Bob Fry wrote: Just a few months ago a tri-engine Falcon Jet--I don't know which model--landed by mistake at University Airport (3185 x 50 ft.) instead of nearby Yolo Airport (6000 x 100 ft.) The pilot hit the reverse thrust before the nosewheel touched down...better pilot skill than judgement. I'd sell tickets to the guy's takeoff when he tries to leave.Even a straight wing Citation couldn't get out of that mess. "Couldn't get out"? Huh? Citations don't seem to have any problem with our local 3200' foot runway... |
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