what would you do?

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:45:34 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

"zatatime" wrote in message
.. .
It shouldn't matter Who is being reported. How do you know this
person has done something worth reporting? Because of a post on the
internet?

No one is proposing reporting a pilot solely on the basis of what they've
read on this newsgroup. The only person to whom it's being suggested that
the pilot be reported is the person who actually observed the actions.

If that person cannot make a final determination as to whether to report the
person, who can? All we are saying is that if the events transpired as
described, that's a reportable offense. Nothing more, nothing less.
And that person is using input from this group as a barometer for his
actions. When strong opinions are shared from people he may trust
those opinions weigh more heavily into the equation than random
comments. If the people making those opinions were not there to
witness it they really don't know what transpired.


It's almost as if no one here has ever made a mistake, and that they
are as close to perfect pilots as anyone can be.

I have no idea where you got that impression. Perhaps you could quote some
posts that led you to it. It sure seems like you pulled that conclusion out
of your ass, given the utter lack of supporting statements within this
thread to justify it.

From time to time we see a "What Would You Do" type of post.
Generally the crowd chants Take Action with the Feds. This opinion
did not come out of my ass at all, but is based on what I have seen
here over time. I don't live for usenet (although I use it regularly)
so I'm not going to research history for the sake of sharing an
opinion. It wouldn't be time well spent.

Don't take it so personally.

z

True but calling the FSDO is just beginning a process of reviewing whether
the pilot in question is qualified to be flying or needs more training.
Based on the information presented, I think a review is warranted. Just my
humble opinion.

Mike
MU-2

"zatatime" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:45:34 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

"zatatime" wrote in message
.. .
It shouldn't matter Who is being reported. How do you know this
person has done something worth reporting? Because of a post on the
internet?

No one is proposing reporting a pilot solely on the basis of what they've
read on this newsgroup. The only person to whom it's being suggested that
the pilot be reported is the person who actually observed the actions.

If that person cannot make a final determination as to whether to report
the
person, who can? All we are saying is that if the events transpired as
described, that's a reportable offense. Nothing more, nothing less.
And that person is using input from this group as a barometer for his
actions. When strong opinions are shared from people he may trust
those opinions weigh more heavily into the equation than random
comments. If the people making those opinions were not there to
witness it they really don't know what transpired.


It's almost as if no one here has ever made a mistake, and that they
are as close to perfect pilots as anyone can be.

I have no idea where you got that impression. Perhaps you could quote
some
posts that led you to it. It sure seems like you pulled that conclusion
out
of your ass, given the utter lack of supporting statements within this
thread to justify it.

From time to time we see a "What Would You Do" type of post.
Generally the crowd chants Take Action with the Feds. This opinion
did not come out of my ass at all, but is based on what I have seen
here over time. I don't live for usenet (although I use it regularly)
so I'm not going to research history for the sake of sharing an
opinion. It wouldn't be time well spent.

Don't take it so personally.

z

"zatatime" wrote in message
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And that person is using input from this group as a barometer for his
actions.

And yet, we are not the ones making the decision. Whatever happened to
personal responsibility? Oh, that's right...there's no such thing anymore.

[...] If the people making those opinions were not there to
witness it they really don't know what transpired.

If the people making those opinions WERE there, they could take action
themselves, rather than providing insight to someone else who WAS there. By
your logic, no one should ever seek counsel from someone else. That's a
pretty dumb conclusion, IMHO.

From time to time we see a "What Would You Do" type of post.
Generally the crowd chants Take Action with the Feds.

Yes, it does, now and then. So?

This opinion
did not come out of my ass at all, but is based on what I have seen
here over time.

How do you conclude from recommendations that dangerous behavior be reported
to the FAA, that "no one here has ever made a mistake"? The two are
completely unrelated.

Your statement that "no one here has ever made a mistake" did indeed come
right out of your ass. It's a completely unjustified conclusion. No one
here ever claimed that they never made a mistake (well, perhaps excepting
one particular trollish controller), nor do comments suggesting a dangerous
pilot be reported imply any such thing.

Pete

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:29:42 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

"zatatime" wrote in message
.. .
And that person is using input from this group as a barometer for his
actions.

And yet, we are not the ones making the decision. Whatever happened to
personal responsibility? Oh, that's right...there's no such thing anymore.

That's right, the lawyers took that one away from us a long time ago.
I think it started with a hot cup of coffee (maybe even before).

[...] If the people making those opinions were not there to
witness it they really don't know what transpired.

If the people making those opinions WERE there, they could take action
themselves, rather than providing insight to someone else who WAS there. By
your logic, no one should ever seek counsel from someone else. That's a
pretty dumb conclusion, IMHO.

Holy jumping to conclusions Batman. How in heaven did you get that
from my comment? You definitely seem to be reading into this far more
deeply than the sentence warrants..

From time to time we see a "What Would You Do" type of post.
Generally the crowd chants Take Action with the Feds.

Yes, it does, now and then. So?

So I believe that mentality can do more harm than good when applied
within this forum.

This opinion
did not come out of my ass at all, but is based on what I have seen
here over time.

How do you conclude from recommendations that dangerous behavior be reported
to the FAA, that "no one here has ever made a mistake"? The two are
completely unrelated.

Your statement that "no one here has ever made a mistake" did indeed come
right out of your ass. It's a completely unjustified conclusion. No one
here ever claimed that they never made a mistake (well, perhaps excepting
one particular trollish controller), nor do comments suggesting a dangerous
pilot be reported imply any such thing.

Pete

I never said "no one here has ever made a mistake." You are cropping
my sentences to suit your own purpose, but I guess that is to be
expected from someone who needs to make personal attacks against
another for voicing his own opinion.

If you'd read my statements in context I think you'll understand (or
maybe not) that the Prosecute now ask questions later mentality that
seemed to be prevalent in this and other threads gives the appearance
that only the best pilot's frequent these groups. While I'd like to
believe that about myself, I'd never be that foolish. I know I'm only
as good as my worst day.

z

"zatatime" wrote in message
...
[...]
I never said "no one here has ever made a mistake."

You wrote: "It's almost as if no one here has ever made a mistake, and that
they are as close to perfect pilots as anyone can be."

You are cropping my sentences to suit your own purpose, but I guess
that is to be expected from someone who needs to make personal
attacks against another for voicing his own opinion.

What you wrote is in black and white for anyone to read, yet you deny it?
Wow.

As for personal attacks, you're the only one making those around here. You
imply that people claim to not have made a mistake, when no such claim has
been made, and you use that implication to denounce people who write
something you simply don't care for.

If you'd read my statements in context I think you'll understand (or
maybe not) that the Prosecute now ask questions later mentality that
seemed to be prevalent in this and other threads gives the appearance
that only the best pilot's frequent these groups.

And then you make the same implication you deny, in the very post in which
you denied it. Amazing.

Pete

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:29:46 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

"zatatime" wrote in message
.. .
[...]
I never said "no one here has ever made a mistake."

You wrote: "It's almost as if no one here has ever made a mistake, and that
they are as close to perfect pilots as anyone can be."

You are cropping my sentences to suit your own purpose, but I guess
that is to be expected from someone who needs to make personal
attacks against another for voicing his own opinion.

What you wrote is in black and white for anyone to read, yet you deny it?
Wow.

As for personal attacks, you're the only one making those around here. You
imply that people claim to not have made a mistake, when no such claim has
been made, and you use that implication to denounce people who write
something you simply don't care for.

If you'd read my statements in context I think you'll understand (or
maybe not) that the Prosecute now ask questions later mentality that
seemed to be prevalent in this and other threads gives the appearance
that only the best pilot's frequent these groups.

And then you make the same implication you deny, in the very post in which
you denied it. Amazing.

Pete

I guess the (or maybe not) holds true for your (lack of)
understanding.

z