Flying under IMC

Hi,

i'm based in Germany with a FAA-PPL ASEL.
It's very interesting to read the differences in IFR-Flying in the
States and in Germany. Although the two countries are "ICAO-countries"
they are not
participating in same air work to each other.
Well, i think ...when learning for an IFR-Rating you should know
before what you are allowed to do with it or not after passing it.
I think most "VFR"-Pilots only know about the new ability to fly in
clouds without reference of the ground surface.
It's very interesting for me to know how the real IFR-flight is
working, what problems with ATC you have when flying under IFR, the
change IFR-VFR, and a lot of other things....and that....before
"doing" the Rating.

Thank you all for asking my questions....

Peter

"Peter Bauer" wrote in message
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i'm based in Germany with a FAA-PPL ASEL.
It's very interesting to read the differences in IFR-Flying in the
States and in Germany. Although the two countries are "ICAO-countries"
they are not
participating in same air work to each other.

If you think Germany and the US are different, try crossing the border into
other European countries. Of all of them the airspace system in Germany is
most like the US, and the UK is probably at the opposite extreme. Here we
have mostly class A and class G, with little between. IFR flight in class G
is something we do every day -- there's not a lot of choice.

Good luck if you choose to do the IR.

Julian

Julian,

most like the US, and the UK is probably at the opposite extreme. Here we
have mostly class A and class G, with little between. IFR flight in class
G
is something we do every day -- there's not a lot of choice.

IIRC in the UK you have some sort of "poor-mans-IFR" (no pun intended ;-)
called the "IMC" rating, giving you the right to fly under IMC without being
"in-the-system".

Does that thing make it to JAR-FCL?

Best Regards

Kai Glaesner

"Kai Glaesner" wrote in message
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IIRC in the UK you have some sort of "poor-mans-IFR" (no pun intended ;-)
called the "IMC" rating, giving you the right to fly under IMC without
being
"in-the-system".

Does that thing make it to JAR-FCL?

Still available as a national rating valid for IFR only in the UK. The only
difference from the way it used to be is that it no longer gives credit
towards an IR. However, an FAA IR gives credit towards a JAA IR, and the
instrument time for an IMC rating counts for the time required for an FAA
IR. So we have the screwy situation that the usual "upgrade" path is IMC
rating - FAA IR - JAA IR.

Julian Scarfe

Julian,

IR. So we have the screwy situation that the usual "upgrade" path is IMC
rating - FAA IR - JAA IR.

That's what I call "european harmonization".... ;-)

Any estimates available what to spend on an IR (starting from a national
PPL) in the UK? Here in germany they charge you around 13.000 EUR for that.

Best regards

Kai

"Kai Glaesner" wrote in message
...

Any estimates available what to spend on an IR (starting from a national
PPL) in the UK? Here in germany they charge you around 13.000 EUR for
that.

Yes, about EUR 15,000 for a SEP-IR and about EUR 20,000 for an MEP-IR (55
hours training, not including the mandatory ground school). The problem is
that while ICAO specifies 40 hours "instrument time", JAA-FCL specifies 55
hours instrument training by an approved training facility.

I did mine 10 years ago under rules that allowed me to do just 28 hours
(with credit for the IMC rating) in my own aircraft.

Julian