Flight plan when crossing the boarder

(Robert M. Gary) wrote in
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Andrew Sarangan wrote in message
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(Paul Tomblin) wrote in
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I thought you only had to file if you were more than 25 miles in
Canada?


In addition, you also have to file anytime you cross a border.

Is this a US requirement (FAR) or a Canadian requirement (CAR)? I looked in
the FAR but could not find any reference to it except FAR part 99 which
only applies to flights into ADIZ.

On 05 Jul 2004 22:08:09 GMT, Andrew Sarangan
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(Robert M. Gary) wrote in
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Andrew Sarangan wrote in message
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(Paul Tomblin) wrote in
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I thought you only had to file if you were more than 25 miles in
Canada?


In addition, you also have to file anytime you cross a border.

Is this a US requirement (FAR) or a Canadian requirement (CAR)? I looked in
the FAR but could not find any reference to it except FAR part 99 which
only applies to flights into ADIZ.

It is listed in my Jepp published Canadian Entry requirements supplement.
It is also published in the Canadian section of the DOT/FAA International
Flight Information Manual. The latter is available online at
http://www.faa.gov/ats/aat/ifim/ifimcaai.htm and also
http://www.aopa.org/members/files/tr...a/canifim.html


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

The flight plan helps Customs distinguish between legitimate flights,
and those
attempting to illegally smuggle French Canadians south across the boarder.

Canada has for many years now been engaged in a covert campaign to export
their "French Problem" south to the US. Thru false bottom trucks, small
boats
across the rivers, and aircraft under radar, Canada is attempting to
remove the
French Canadians and smuggle them into the French speaking neighborhoods of
Louisiana, NYC and Washington.

The US had originally intended to send the illegal French Canadian
Ouetbacks to
Guantanimo. But those plans had been canceled when Al-Queida prisoners
said they
would rather have electrical wires attached to their genitals than share
a cell with the
French.

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Does anyone know the actual reason you're required to file a flight
plan when crossing the boarding between the U.S. and Canada? Does
someone sit down at the end of the year and try to count operations
based on them? They carry NO customs benefit since customs are handled
separately.

Usually, when we fly south into Mexico, we don't both filing since the
U.S. has no way to actually hand the flight plan to Mexico. Most of
the Mexico AOI don't even have working phones, much less computers.
However, they are always happy to see you arrive at any time. Of
course crossing the ADIZ northbound from Mexico is a different thing
all together.

-Robert

Andrew Sarangan wrote in message .158...
(Robert M. Gary) wrote in
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Is this a US requirement (FAR) or a Canadian requirement (CAR)? I looked in
the FAR but could not find any reference to it except FAR part 99 which
only applies to flights into ADIZ.

In truth, I don't know. I know that the AOPA guides for boarder
crossing refer to it as a "reguirement". However, I don't know what
law it comes from. When going South into Mexico (which is not really
an ADIZ crossing) it is said that filing alerts the commander of the
airport that you are arriving. Of course, anyone who has been to
Mexico would laugh at that. For Canada, CAN-PASS already knows you're
coming.

-Robert

(Paul Tomblin) wrote in message ...
Since 9/11, aircraft crossing the border are required to be on a flight
plan AND in communication with ATC, either VFR Flight Following or IFR.
When flying across southern Ontario talking to Toronto Center, I was
continually hearing Canadian pilots calling up near the border to get
flight following across the border. That's in contrast to American
pilots, who seem to get flight following the whole way there.

I guess some parts of Canada are just too remote to get Flight
Following from. I know that pilots somewhat regularly cross into the
U.S. from Mexico without radios or transponders (since 9/11) but you
have to prearrange the crossing location and exact time. The last time
I was down in Mexico I ran into an airplane recovery guy who picks up
wrecked airplanes and flys them back to the insurance co. Sometimes
they end up as "green" airplanes (no radios).

-Robert

Since 9/11, aircraft crossing the border are required to be on a flight
plan AND in communication with ATC, either VFR Flight Following or IFR.
When flying across southern Ontario talking to Toronto Center, I was
continually hearing Canadian pilots calling up near the border to get
flight following across the border. That's in contrast to American
pilots, who seem to get flight following the whole way there.

I know this to not be the case when entering the U.S. from Mexico but
perhaps that's just because you have a transponder code. We usually
are not talking to ATC when we cross back into the U.S. but we have a
DVFR open.

I was pretty happy with how easy the handoff was into Canada. When I
entered Canada I was VFR. It wasn't really a handoff but I was allowed
to keep my transponder code and the Canadian controller expected me
(the U.S. controller said FF canceled, remain this code, contact
Victoria). Southbound I was IFR (and IMC) and you couldn't tell the
difference other than the use of the phrase "decimal" rather than
"point" when giving freq's.
Landing at Vancouver Int'l was really a piece of cake. The controllers
were very friendly when I told them I didn't know any of the locations
they were talking about (I never saw any "coal mines", etc on the
charts).
-robert

(Robert M. Gary) wrote in message . com...
Does anyone know the actual reason you're required to file a flight
plan when crossing the boarding between the U.S. and Canada? Does
someone sit down at the end of the year and try to count operations
based on them? They carry NO customs benefit since customs are handled
separately.

Usually, when we fly south into Mexico, we don't both filing since the
U.S. has no way to actually hand the flight plan to Mexico. Most of
the Mexico AOI don't even have working phones, much less computers.
However, they are always happy to see you arrive at any time. Of
course crossing the ADIZ northbound from Mexico is a different thing
all together.

-Robert


Hi Robert,

I do not have the slightest idea why one has to file a flight plan for
border crossings.
You Americans are lucky, you can fly for hours in nearly any direction
before crossing a border.
Try Europe for a change.
Every country has its own rules for VFR flight plans, really
confusing.

And what they do with all these flight plans, I do not know.
I suppose it is meant to keep the un-employment figures low.

-Kees

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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In truth, I don't know. I know that the AOPA guides for boarder
crossing [...]

Okay, I can't stand it any longer.

Robert...please, it's "border". No "a".

Thanks,
Pete

Oops...sorry. That was supposed to be email. Oh well...

(Robert M. Gary) wrote in
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Andrew Sarangan wrote in message
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(Robert M. Gary) wrote in
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Is this a US requirement (FAR) or a Canadian requirement (CAR)? I
looked in the FAR but could not find any reference to it except FAR
part 99 which only applies to flights into ADIZ.

In truth, I don't know. I know that the AOPA guides for boarder
crossing refer to it as a "reguirement". However, I don't know what
law it comes from. When going South into Mexico (which is not really
an ADIZ crossing) it is said that filing alerts the commander of the
airport that you are arriving. Of course, anyone who has been to
Mexico would laugh at that. For Canada, CAN-PASS already knows you're
coming.

-Robert


Crossing into Mexico is not an ADIZ crossing??