OSH Disappointments

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message Oh, come
on. If you were just out of your teen years, I could understand.
But someone your age (which I don't actually know, but I'm sure it's
advanced enough to qualify here) should be familiar with ALL the great
Bugs
Bunny quotes.

What a Nin Cow Poop! Gulla Bull! (I think that comes from the Bull Fighting
episode).

-Trent

"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" wrote in message ...
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:28:57 -0400, "Ron Natalie"
wrote:

Because the real grass-roots stuff is in the Showplane area. ...

Ron--were you coordinating volunteers in the Vintage area this
year?

Me coordinate? Now way...I just park airplanes.

Jay Honeck wrote:

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I know a few African-American University of Iowa professors and employees
who would kick your ass for saying that. Over a beer (after they've
dusted you off) they would tell you all day long that success in this
country is open to ALL, only requiring an education and hard work.

Or are you implying otherwise?

While the above is no doubt true, it doesn't tell the whole story.
Discrimination still exists. I know someone in the construction business
that wouldn't hire a black man no matter what. To him they are all just
looking to get back on welfare and besides they'd rob him blind anyway.

Want to live the American dream and buy a house? Here in Milwaukee you'd
better not be black. If you actually get a loan (less likely) you'll pay
higher rates and need more money down.

Your friends mention education as a key factor and it certainly is. But
there is certainly not equal access to education right now. It's not really
a racial issue so much as an economic one, but it affects blacks
disproportionally. Nothing perpetuates poverty better than a lack of
education.

We've come a long way but the fact that this subject keeps coming up there
is still work to be done.

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--
Frank....H

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:49:53 -0400, "Ron Natalie"
wrote:

Ron--were you coordinating volunteers in the Vintage area this
year?

Me coordinate? Now way...I just park airplanes.

I had my first three hours on a scooter in Vintage this year--just
following and trying to learn the ropes.

But my buddies were working Flightline Security, so I moved
over with them for the next two days. Got a lot more scooter
time on the more deluxe Hondas, but didn't get to do any
parking. I helped push a plane once or twice, but that was
it.

Marty

"Frank" wrote in message ...
We've come a long way but the fact that this subject keeps coming up there
is still work to be done.

I agree. You are fooling yourself if you think that discrimination doesn't
really exist anymore. It's not nearly the factor that it used to be, but it
is still around unfortunately. It's quiet and insidious, like the business
owner you outlined. He's not out burning crosses, but he's practicing racism
just the same. I personally know people that are doing the same thing and it
is shameful indeed.

The way I see it, the solution to racism will not come from government
edicts. It's going to be one person, one family at a time and it is going to
take a while. Civil rights groups don't really help either because they seem
to be more self-serving than anything and seem to be more and more
irrelevent. I think most black folks just want to be left alone to do the
best that they can. They don't want handouts or pity. They want a fair
shake, just like the rest of us. Sometimes they won't get fair treatment,
sometimes they will. It will take time, like I said.

I think Bill Cosby has said some things recently that are right on the mark.
It naturally ****ed off the NAACP et al, but that only proves he was telling
the truth. He basically said that blacks are responsible for their own
success. Period. And with and education and hard work, they can truly
succeed, himself being a prime example.

I think that is what Jay is trying to say too.

-Trent
PP-ASEL

Well, Vlado, I guess the others have beat you up enough for this one...

That's OK. I'll recover someday. Just don't let my kids know about this,
PLEASE!!!
VL

I think Bill Cosby has said some things recently that are right on the
mark.
It naturally ****ed off the NAACP et al, but that only proves he was
telling
the truth. He basically said that blacks are responsible for their own
success. Period. And with and education and hard work, they can truly
succeed, himself being a prime example.

I only wish Cos had spoken out sooner, because there is a whole generation
of black males (and, to a lesser degree, black women) that have been lost in
the inner cities, either to prison or chronic unemployment. Having worked
in the inner city for seven years (in Southeastern Wisconsin), I can
personally attest to this fact.

Education and hard work is the only road to success, but there is a black
sub-culture in America that has completely turned its back on both. It's
pitiful, and truly frightening.

But that's all beside the point. Hard work and education will take you as
far as you want to go in America -- you just have to be self-motivated to do
it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Corky Scott" wrote in message
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:52:00 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:

Get over it and get on with life. Every ethnic and religious group has
been
through the same thing some time in the past. Most of us get over it and
move on. Some wallow in the past and play "woe is me" for centuries and
expect special treatment and reparations. The self pity is getting very
annoying.

Are you black Dave?

Corky Scott

I'm orange.

In article q7fTc.146734$eM2.87428@attbi_s51, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

Education and hard work is the only road to success,

Jay, there are other paths to success. Education and hard work
isn't the only road. And certainly formal education isn't
an absolute requirement. There are plenty of examples of
successful people with limited formal education.


But that's all beside the point. Hard work and education will take you
as
far as you want to go in America -- you just have to be self-motivated to
do
it.

you also have to be realistic. There are things I would dearly love
to do, but I just don't have what it takes. No amount of hard work
or education would have gotten me into space.

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.

you also have to be realistic. There are things I would dearly love
to do, but I just don't have what it takes. No amount of hard work
or education would have gotten me into space.

True -- we all peak out at some level, no matter how hard we try. It's
different for each of us. (For example, my eyesight kept me out of the Air
Force.)

But that's not prejudice or discrimination -- that's Darwin. We can only
go so far with the tools at hand.

What's that famous Clint Eastwood line? "A man's got to know his
limitations..."
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"