is it just me?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

How do you know?

The controller told me so.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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The controller told me so.


Did you not have the previous airplane in sight?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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The controller told me so.


Did you not have the previous airplane in sight?

Og course. He was trundling down the runway.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Og course. He was trundling down the runway.


That was the first you saw of him?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Og course. He was trundling down the runway.


That was the first you saw of him?

What difference does that make? I suspect you're playing your usual one sentence post
game that ends in something like "well, we do that, but that's not the proper term
for that here." If so, finish it up, 'cause you're on record so far as saying that,
if the runway gets blocked by one aircraft, no U.S. controller would cancel the
landing clearance of a following aircraft, and that's BS. Been there.

Pertinent quote:
When a number of independent aircraft (i.e., excluding formation
teams and the like) wish to land in quick succession, AIUI only
one will be "cleared to land" at any time in the UK, so if a
landing aeroplane doesn't clear the runway in time then the guy
behind who has not been "cleared to land" will be going around
anyway.

In the US, controllers would sequence the arriving aircraft so that a go
around would not be necessary.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

G.R. Patterson III wrote:



"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

How do you know?

The controller told me so.

In the US on Earth, the controller has to make certain assumptions. That #1
won't blow a tire is one of those assumptions, of course. Others include
that #1 won't slow a lot on final or dally on the runway.

And just to make matters "worse", I've been cleared as #3 or #4 to land. So
the controller is making a fairly lengthy chain of assumptions (even on
small planes, we're speaking now of 9 tires holding together {8^).

- Andrew

Andrew Gideon wrote:




In the US on Earth, the controller has to make certain assumptions.

We make thousands of assumptions everyday.



That #1
won't blow a tire is one of those assumptions, of course.

In the 16 or so years I've been doing this I've seen less than 5 blown
tires that required the aircraft to get towed off the runway. In that
time I have witnessed well over a million takeoffs and landings.


Others include
that #1 won't slow a lot on final or dally on the runway.

That happens all the time. There is no such thing as a go around proof
sequence. **** happens. If it didn't there wouldn't be any need for a
controller in the first place.



And just to make matters "worse", I've been cleared as #3 or #4 to land. So
the controller is making a fairly lengthy chain of assumptions (even on
small planes, we're speaking now of 9 tires holding together {8^).

What exactly are the tires you use made of...Jello? They just don't
fail with the regularity that you are worried about.

"Newps" wrote in message
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In the 16 or so years I've been doing this I've seen less than 5 blown
tires that required the aircraft to get towed off the runway. In that
time I have witnessed well over a million takeoffs and landings.


That's unlikely. To witness that many you'd have to spend your full forty
hour work week in the tower every week for sixteen years and average thirty
operations per hour.

Newps wrote:

What exactly are the tires you use made of...Jello? They just don't
fail with the regularity that you are worried about.

I no longer rent from the FBO that maintained the plane I was flying when
the tire failed, so it isn't terribly convenient for me to check to see if
the tires are jello. I expect I'd have noticed this sort of thing during
the preflight, but - given that I don't preflight with a spoon and whipped
cream - perhaps not.

More seriously: I've only had a tire fail once during my 400+ hours of
flying, so perhaps it isn't terribly likely. However, I have been waved
off in the past for other reasons. Perhaps these can all be classified as
"controller missequencing", but - given that a lot of students are flying
around my "home" airport - I'd be surprised if none of the blame falls to
those students.

But this is all beside the point (although interesting). The fact is that
controllers do occasionally have to wave off an aircraft previously cleared
for landing. Someone - not you, BTW - claimed:

In the US, controllers would sequence the arriving aircraft so that a go
around would not be necessary.

I was merely pointing out that this was usually, but not always, the case in
my country which also happens to be called "the US".

- Andrew

Andrew Gideon wrote:



More seriously: I've only had a tire fail once during my 400+ hours of
flying, so perhaps it isn't terribly likely. However, I have been waved
off in the past for other reasons. Perhaps these can all be classified as
"controller missequencing", but - given that a lot of students are flying
around my "home" airport - I'd be surprised if none of the blame falls to
those students.

I worked for four years at an airport where 95% of the traffic was from
the University of North Dakota. Nothing but flight training. Students
beat the hell out of airplanes and I don't recall any flat tires on the
trainers. The flats all seem to happen to the biz jets and big twins.


But this is all beside the point (although interesting). The fact is that
controllers do occasionally have to wave off an aircraft previously cleared
for landing.

At GFK we had probably 50 go arounds a day for any number of reasons.
However disabled aircraft on the runway wasn't one of the top 10
factors. Here at BIL we have hardly any flight training anymore and I
can't remember the last time I saw a go around. Although there are a
few reasons for that too.