Run In With Mr. Edwards

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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:25:41 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in
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If this is what we have to look forward to under a
Kerry/Edwards presidency, I fear the worst is yet to come.

I believe it is what occurred during Dubuah's reign.

But I share your confidence that the Kerry presidency is assured.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...
Welcome to the 21st century! Robert Heinline predicted this and much
more in the settings of his novels.

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:25:41 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in
p91Wc.21556$9d6.17529@attbi_s54::

If this is what we have to look forward to under a
Kerry/Edwards presidency, I fear the worst is yet to come.

I believe it is what occurred during Dubuah's reign.

But I share your confidence that the Kerry presidency is assured.

I sincerely hope not. They should have shot the lying, treasonous war
criminal a long time ago. He betrayed his country, he betrayed everyone who
served in Vietnam, he met with enemy leaders, he deliberately killed babies
and then justified by claiming in Congressional testimony that everyone else
was doing it, he left his one of his own men for dead while fleeing from an
imaginary attack and only turned around when shamed into it, two of his
Purple Hearts are for self inflicted wounds, he disgraced the medals that he
is now so proud of, and he plotted to kill United States senators. He does
not deny any of this; instead he resorts to personal attacks against those
who are exposing the truth about him. If personal attacks do not silence his
enemies, he resorts to threats of violence and lawsuits, which shows what he
thinks of freedom of speech.

It speaks volumes about the Democrats that they have sunk so low as to put
such a slimeball up for the Presidency. The Democratic Party no longer
respects America or Americans, but is solely focused on using fraud and
deceit to achieve power in any way that it can. If this behavior continues
the only outcome can be civil war.

"C J Campbell" wrote:
If this behavior continues
the only outcome can be civil war.

You're out of your mind, Campbell.

Whoa, CJ, don't hold back. Tell us what you really think...

They should have shot the lying, treasonous war
criminal a long time ago. He betrayed his country, he betrayed everyone
who
served in Vietnam, he met with enemy leaders, he deliberately killed
babies
and then justified by claiming in Congressional testimony that everyone
else
was doing it

While I share some of your distaste for Mr. Kerry, CJ, I think you've taken
your point "a bit" too far. Kerry is (or, at least, was) an honorable man,
and I wish him the best in the upcoming election.

I don't want this to become a "bash Kerry" or "trash Bush" thread. What we,
as pilots, need, is to discuss intelligent, constructive ways to influence
our government officials so that ridiculous crap like this doesn't happen to
more and more pilots.

I'm all for logical, sensible security strategies for our presidential
candidates, but what they did to my family was just stupid. We weren't a
threat, and we couldn't have become a threat. If they THOUGHT we were
potential threats, they could have escorted us to our plane, and searched
it. They could have had the FBO guys tow my plane to the OTHER FBO on the
OTHER side of the field, and we could have departed from there. (Those
planes were coming and going freely throughout this episode.)

They had a myriad of options, all of which they chose to ignore. The only
thing that satisfied them was my complete immobility, which is no different
than treating me like a suspected criminal.

And I resent it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:%F9Wc.69882$TI1.15818@attbi_s52...
While I share some of your distaste for Mr. Kerry, CJ, I think you've
taken
your point "a bit" too far. Kerry is (or, at least, was) an honorable
man,
and I wish him the best in the upcoming election.

He "was", until the tragic inconvenience of you having to sit in an FBO for
an hour? What narcisistic bull****.

Kerry is (or, at least, was) an honorable man,
and I wish him the best in the upcoming election.

He "was", until the tragic inconvenience of you having to sit in an FBO
for
an hour?

No, Kerry was honorable until he went on TV blasting the behavior of his
country and his fellow soldiers, while the Viet Nam war was in progress and
his comrades were still being held prisoner.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Then, Jay, you are a generation behind me. You didn't SWEAT your ass going to
some rice paddy in Vietnam. You didn't LIVE your life hoping against hope that
your draft board wouldn't haul your ass out of college and send you with a rifle
to some country that you couldn't have given a rat's ass less about.

Me? I got lucky. My draft board thought that my work on Apollo was "in the
national interest" and I got a deferment. The engineer on the next desk wasn't
so lucky; he came home less his left arm.

You have absolutely no chops to criticize Kerry unless you were in the Vietnam
draft mix. You were not. Shut the hell up.

Lots of us blasted the behavior of our country at that time. This country was
wrong. We had no business being over there.

You wanna blast me? Come on. Take a piece of me. So far as I am concerned you
are a stupid jackass that DIDN'T serve in the military, that WEREN'T subject to
the draft, and have absolutely no CONCEPT of what either Vietnam, Iraq I or Iraq
II are all about.

Jim



"Jay Honeck"
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:


-No, Kerry was honorable until he went on TV blasting the behavior of his
-country and his fellow soldiers, while the Viet Nam war was in progress and
-his comrades were still being held prisoner.

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

Jim Weir writes:
[A lot of good stuff]

Right on, Mr. Weir.

I was 18 in '73 and they were only drafting the first 20 or 30
numbers, and that's how I missed the draft. A good thing too...I know
I would have been f***ed in the head if I had been forced to go.

The son of a good friend of mine came back messed up in the
head...never did get back to normal.

Another friend who tramped around in the jungle for a year died of
liver cancer at age 52. Agent Orange? Maybe. The brother of another
friend also died of some weird cancer which the military finally
admitted was caused by AO.

I hope Vietnam can once again become the name of a country, not a
stupid war we arrogantly got involved in. Who's the real traitor--try
LBJ.

I respect the military, but sure as hell don't worship them like some
posters in these newsgroups. Hurray for Kerry, who actually uses his
brain to think, instead of his balls. The man joined up and served
honorably, saw with his own eyes what a screwed up situation the war
was, came home and tried to do something about it. What was Shrub
doing, BTW? Coke and booze?

"Jim Weir" wrote in message
...
Then, Jay, you are a generation behind me. You didn't SWEAT your ass
going to
some rice paddy in Vietnam. You didn't LIVE your life hoping against hope
that
your draft board wouldn't haul your ass out of college and send you with a
rifle
to some country that you couldn't have given a rat's ass less about.

Me? I got lucky. My draft board thought that my work on Apollo was "in
the
national interest" and I got a deferment. The engineer on the next desk
wasn't
so lucky; he came home less his left arm.

You have absolutely no chops to criticize Kerry unless you were in the
Vietnam
draft mix. You were not. Shut the hell up.

Lots of us blasted the behavior of our country at that time. This country
was
wrong. We had no business being over there.

You wanna blast me? Come on. Take a piece of me. So far as I am
concerned you
are a stupid jackass that DIDN'T serve in the military, that WEREN'T
subject to
the draft, and have absolutely no CONCEPT of what either Vietnam, Iraq I
or Iraq
II are all about.

Well, Mr. Weir. Take a piece of me, then. Blast me if you wish. Although I
was not in the draft mix (my number was 284), I signed onto the Air Force
anyway. I believed we were right and I still believe that. In any event,
Kerry had no business saying that everybody serving in Vietnam was a bunch
of war criminals. He did not have to meet with communist leaders. He did not
have to raise money for an assassination attempt on senators.