Run In With Mr. Edwards

Kerry is (or, at least, was) an honorable man,
and I wish him the best in the upcoming election.

He "was", until the tragic inconvenience of you having to sit in an FBO
for
an hour?

No, Kerry was honorable until he went on TV blasting the behavior of his
country and his fellow soldiers, while the Viet Nam war was in progress and
his comrades were still being held prisoner.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Then, Jay, you are a generation behind me. You didn't SWEAT your ass going to
some rice paddy in Vietnam. You didn't LIVE your life hoping against hope that
your draft board wouldn't haul your ass out of college and send you with a rifle
to some country that you couldn't have given a rat's ass less about.

Me? I got lucky. My draft board thought that my work on Apollo was "in the
national interest" and I got a deferment. The engineer on the next desk wasn't
so lucky; he came home less his left arm.

You have absolutely no chops to criticize Kerry unless you were in the Vietnam
draft mix. You were not. Shut the hell up.

Lots of us blasted the behavior of our country at that time. This country was
wrong. We had no business being over there.

You wanna blast me? Come on. Take a piece of me. So far as I am concerned you
are a stupid jackass that DIDN'T serve in the military, that WEREN'T subject to
the draft, and have absolutely no CONCEPT of what either Vietnam, Iraq I or Iraq
II are all about.

Jim



"Jay Honeck"
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:


-No, Kerry was honorable until he went on TV blasting the behavior of his
-country and his fellow soldiers, while the Viet Nam war was in progress and
-his comrades were still being held prisoner.

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

Jim Weir writes:
[A lot of good stuff]

Right on, Mr. Weir.

I was 18 in '73 and they were only drafting the first 20 or 30
numbers, and that's how I missed the draft. A good thing too...I know
I would have been f***ed in the head if I had been forced to go.

The son of a good friend of mine came back messed up in the
head...never did get back to normal.

Another friend who tramped around in the jungle for a year died of
liver cancer at age 52. Agent Orange? Maybe. The brother of another
friend also died of some weird cancer which the military finally
admitted was caused by AO.

I hope Vietnam can once again become the name of a country, not a
stupid war we arrogantly got involved in. Who's the real traitor--try
LBJ.

I respect the military, but sure as hell don't worship them like some
posters in these newsgroups. Hurray for Kerry, who actually uses his
brain to think, instead of his balls. The man joined up and served
honorably, saw with his own eyes what a screwed up situation the war
was, came home and tried to do something about it. What was Shrub
doing, BTW? Coke and booze?

Bob Fry wrote:

Jim Weir writes:
[A lot of good stuff]

Right on, Mr. Weir.

I was 18 in '73 and they were only drafting the first 20 or 30
numbers, and that's how I missed the draft. A good thing too...I know
I would have been f***ed in the head if I had been forced to go.

The son of a good friend of mine came back messed up in the
head...never did get back to normal.

Another friend who tramped around in the jungle for a year died of
liver cancer at age 52. Agent Orange? Maybe. The brother of another
friend also died of some weird cancer which the military finally
admitted was caused by AO.

I hope Vietnam can once again become the name of a country, not a
stupid war we arrogantly got involved in. Who's the real traitor--try
LBJ.

I respect the military, but sure as hell don't worship them like some
posters in these newsgroups. Hurray for Kerry, who actually uses his
brain to think, instead of his balls. The man joined up and served
honorably, saw with his own eyes what a screwed up situation the war
was, came home and tried to do something about it. What was Shrub
doing, BTW? Coke and booze?

I'm sure you voted for George HW Bush with his war record and Bob Dole
with his war record over draft dodging Mr. Clinton, since military service
is very, very important to you, right? Lots of people served honorably in
many places. But that doesn't give them a free ride to be President or a
free pass to strike from the record 20 years of a US Senate record and
Dukakis's lt governor before that. What is Mr Kerry's position on voting
for Iraq again?

"Jim Weir" wrote in message
...
Then, Jay, you are a generation behind me. You didn't SWEAT your ass
going to
some rice paddy in Vietnam. You didn't LIVE your life hoping against hope
that
your draft board wouldn't haul your ass out of college and send you with a
rifle
to some country that you couldn't have given a rat's ass less about.

Me? I got lucky. My draft board thought that my work on Apollo was "in
the
national interest" and I got a deferment. The engineer on the next desk
wasn't
so lucky; he came home less his left arm.

You have absolutely no chops to criticize Kerry unless you were in the
Vietnam
draft mix. You were not. Shut the hell up.

Lots of us blasted the behavior of our country at that time. This country
was
wrong. We had no business being over there.

You wanna blast me? Come on. Take a piece of me. So far as I am
concerned you
are a stupid jackass that DIDN'T serve in the military, that WEREN'T
subject to
the draft, and have absolutely no CONCEPT of what either Vietnam, Iraq I
or Iraq
II are all about.

Well, Mr. Weir. Take a piece of me, then. Blast me if you wish. Although I
was not in the draft mix (my number was 284), I signed onto the Air Force
anyway. I believed we were right and I still believe that. In any event,
Kerry had no business saying that everybody serving in Vietnam was a bunch
of war criminals. He did not have to meet with communist leaders. He did not
have to raise money for an assassination attempt on senators.

Jim Weir wrote:

Then, Jay, you are a generation behind me. You didn't SWEAT your ass going to
some rice paddy in Vietnam. You didn't LIVE your life hoping against hope that
your draft board wouldn't haul your ass out of college and send you with a rifle
to some country that you couldn't have given a rat's ass less about.

Me? I got lucky. My draft board thought that my work on Apollo was "in the
national interest" and I got a deferment.

No balls at all, Weir.

No doubt your abilities would have been of some use to the nation in
Viet Nam, too. You let "[t]he engineer on the next desk" essentially
take your place and he came back the worse for it.

Maybe your anger is just cover for a guilty conscience.


Jack

Boy has this gotten off of the boards topic.

Jim I love your posts on maintenance and have learned quite a bit from them
and hope to keep seeing them.

I'm of your generation. I went. I came home with a couple of scars
physically and some to the soul. My readings on the subject, both during my
military career (20 years) and since (reflectively) have indicated that what
I feel about the experiences are no different than the ones felt by those
who returned from the Korean War. The difference is that the Korean War
vets didn't turn on themselves in the national media.

To the ones who feel that there was something "special" about Vietnam that
messed up peoples heads, I had guys in my unit that changed drastically
after Grenada and / or Panama. Some people are just affected that way by
conflict. Why so many from Vietnam? Draft more people, create more
veterans, and the number of individuals with problems goes up.

Enough venting by both sides, I'm off to Virginia for a couple of weeks for
business (KORF) and I'm going to rent a 172 and go shoot some landings at
Kitty Hawk (KFFA).

Y'all have fun too.

Don

"Jim Weir" wrote in message
...
Then, Jay, you are a generation behind me. You didn't SWEAT your ass
going to
some rice paddy in Vietnam. You didn't LIVE your life hoping against hope
that
your draft board wouldn't haul your ass out of college and send you with a
rifle
to some country that you couldn't have given a rat's ass less about.

Me? I got lucky. My draft board thought that my work on Apollo was "in
the
national interest" and I got a deferment. The engineer on the next desk
wasn't
so lucky; he came home less his left arm.

You have absolutely no chops to criticize Kerry unless you were in the
Vietnam
draft mix. You were not. Shut the hell up.

Lots of us blasted the behavior of our country at that time. This country
was
wrong. We had no business being over there.

You wanna blast me? Come on. Take a piece of me. So far as I am
concerned you
are a stupid jackass that DIDN'T serve in the military, that WEREN'T
subject to
the draft, and have absolutely no CONCEPT of what either Vietnam, Iraq I
or Iraq
II are all about.

Jim



"Jay Honeck"
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:


-No, Kerry was honorable until he went on TV blasting the behavior of his
-country and his fellow soldiers, while the Viet Nam war was in progress
and
-his comrades were still being held prisoner.

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

For someone who didn't serve you're pretty arrogant. Why didn't you just
enlist? Why did you watch your friends get shot up and killed and then
take the coward's way out with a deferment? And you blast Jay? I don't
think merely being "subject" to the draft entitles you to criticize Jay.

Otis W
US Army 1969-72


"Jim Weir" wrote in message
...
Then, Jay, you are a generation behind me. You didn't SWEAT your ass
going to
some rice paddy in Vietnam. You didn't LIVE your life hoping against hope
that
your draft board wouldn't haul your ass out of college and send you with a
rifle
to some country that you couldn't have given a rat's ass less about.

Me? I got lucky. My draft board thought that my work on Apollo was "in
the
national interest" and I got a deferment. The engineer on the next desk
wasn't
so lucky; he came home less his left arm.

You have absolutely no chops to criticize Kerry unless you were in the
Vietnam
draft mix. You were not. Shut the hell up.

Lots of us blasted the behavior of our country at that time. This country
was
wrong. We had no business being over there.

You wanna blast me? Come on. Take a piece of me. So far as I am
concerned you
are a stupid jackass that DIDN'T serve in the military, that WEREN'T
subject to
the draft, and have absolutely no CONCEPT of what either Vietnam, Iraq I
or Iraq
II are all about.

Jim



"Jay Honeck"
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:


-No, Kerry was honorable until he went on TV blasting the behavior of his
-country and his fellow soldiers, while the Viet Nam war was in progress
and
-his comrades were still being held prisoner.

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

Jim, that's a lot of attitude for someone who was almost drafted.

I have no problem with your belief that the war was bad and that Karry was
justitifed in his open criticisms after returning. If you think it was an
unjustified war, then argue that point. If you think it needed to be openly
criticized, then argue that point.

Your statement that, "You have absolutely no chops to criticize Kerry unless
you were in the Vietnam
draft mix. You were not. Shut the hell up." makes it a laughable rant.

Jim, you would have absolutely no chops to criticize Jay even if you had
actually been drafted into a nightmare of a war. Far less so since you were
almost drafted.
--
-------------------------------
Travis
"Jim Weir" wrote in message
...
Then, Jay, you are a generation behind me. You didn't SWEAT your ass
going to
some rice paddy in Vietnam. You didn't LIVE your life hoping against hope
that
your draft board wouldn't haul your ass out of college and send you with a
rifle
to some country that you couldn't have given a rat's ass less about.

Me? I got lucky. My draft board thought that my work on Apollo was "in
the
national interest" and I got a deferment. The engineer on the next desk
wasn't
so lucky; he came home less his left arm.

You have absolutely no chops to criticize Kerry unless you were in the
Vietnam
draft mix. You were not. Shut the hell up.

Lots of us blasted the behavior of our country at that time. This country
was
wrong. We had no business being over there.

You wanna blast me? Come on. Take a piece of me. So far as I am
concerned you
are a stupid jackass that DIDN'T serve in the military, that WEREN'T
subject to
the draft, and have absolutely no CONCEPT of what either Vietnam, Iraq I
or Iraq
II are all about.

Jim



"Jay Honeck"
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:


-No, Kerry was honorable until he went on TV blasting the behavior of his
-country and his fellow soldiers, while the Viet Nam war was in progress
and
-his comrades were still being held prisoner.

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

Jim Weir wrote:

You have absolutely no chops to criticize Kerry unless you were in the Vietnam
draft mix. You were not. Shut the hell up.

Absolutely. I was in the same demonstrations Kerry was.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.