Run In With Mr. Edwards

If your world has a freed public in Iraq, it is certainly very
different from mine.

Don't read the papers much, eh?

There's this thing called "democracy" growing over there. Give it time --
it might catch.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

There's this thing called "democracy" growing over there. Give it time --
it might catch.


Oh yeah, I remember reading about it. A place called Abu Graib seems to be a
true stronghold of democracy in Iraq.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Oh yeah, I remember reading about it. A place called Abu Graib seems to be
a
true stronghold of democracy in Iraq.

What drivel. Do you judge California's democratic "progress" by what
happened to Rodney King?

In a country of 25 million people, and an Army of 150,000, stupid stuff
happens. Abu Graib was an anomaly, a bump in the road to democratic rule,
and the perps are going to jail.

Which is more than you can say was happening in that same prison under
Sadaam's rule.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

Do you judge California's democratic "progress" by what
happened to Rodney King?

Partly, yes, of course!


In a country of 25 million people, and an Army of 150,000, stupid stuff
happens.

This is NOT "stupid stuff". This is a mind set through all ranks. It is a
general view on the Geneva convention and its worth held

Which is more than you can say was happening in that same prison under
Sadaam's rule.

Oh yeah?


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Jay,

Do you judge California's democratic "progress" by what
happened to Rodney King?

Partly, yes, of course!


In a country of 25 million people, and an Army of 150,000, stupid stuff
happens.

This is NOT "stupid stuff". This is a mind set through all ranks. It is a
general view on the Geneva convention and its worth held

Which is more than you can say was happening in that same prison under
Sadaam's rule.


Making a comparison with what Sadaams lot used to do is fatuous.

The issue is comparing actual American behavior there with the ideal that
the US is promoting.

Saying that the US brutalises Iraqis less harshly than Sadaam is hardly a
glowing recommendation.

think about it it.

In article , "CB"
wrote:

Saying that the US brutalises Iraqis less harshly than Sadaam is hardly a
glowing recommendation.

duh

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.

"CB" wrote in message
...

Saying that the US brutalises Iraqis less harshly than Sadaam is hardly a
glowing recommendation.

think about it it.

snip

I just recently heard an interview with a young man who was the sole
survivor of a genocidal attack in the Kurdish territory. He was twelve years
old at the time. We have found the mass graves of the attack and the dead
numbered 3,000 in this one attack alone. He was the SOLE survivor. They were
rounded up into buses and were driven to an outlying area where bulldozers
sat waiting by large holes.

Imagine being twelve years old and experiencing this. They were told to get
into the holes and then Saddam's soldiers started shooting them with machine
guns. There was a lady next to him who was very pregnant. They shot her so
much that her baby actually fell out.

The boy climbed out and pleaded with the gunman closest to him. The man
threw him into the pile and shot him. He was shot 4 times in the back and
once in the leg, IIRC. He played dead and when the soldiers went over to
take a break, he crawled out and into the next grave which was empty at the
time. The bulldozer covered over all the dead bodies (and perhaps some that
were still hanging on to life) while the sun lowered into the sky. Once it
was dark, the boy limped away. He walked for two hours and was taken in by a
Bedouin family.

That boy is now 25 or so. He is afraid that he will be killed because he is
an eyewitness to Saddam's cruelty and he plans to testify against Saddam in
his trial. The people who want him dead are Saddam supporters, naturally.
How anyone would want that murderer back in power really escapes me.

There are thousands of similar stories that have been told, but our media
wants to focus on things that America does wrong, like Abu Grahib. But
comparing the two is laughable.

I am not saying that we should overlook our mistakes, but good God, let's
keep things in perspective at least.

-Trent
PP-ASEL

Trent,

There are thousands of similar stories that have been told, but our media
wants to focus on things that America does wrong, like Abu Grahib. But
comparing the two is laughable.


Which is why nobody does.

First, as you say, the Saddam horror stories have been told extensively in
the media.

That's no reason not to report about Abu Graib, though. Especially since
the American standard should be different from Saddam's.


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Trent Moorehead" wrote in message
...

"CB" wrote in message
...

Saying that the US brutalises Iraqis less harshly than Sadaam is hardly
a
glowing recommendation.

think about it it.

snip

I just recently heard an interview with a young man who was the sole
survivor of a genocidal attack in the Kurdish territory. He was twelve
years
old at the time. We have found the mass graves of the attack and the dead
numbered 3,000 in this one attack alone. He was the SOLE survivor. They
were
rounded up into buses and were driven to an outlying area where bulldozers
sat waiting by large holes.

http://trojanhorseshoes.blogfodder.n...es/009311.html

Check the graphic at the bottom of the page (300,000 dots...each one
representing a life snuffed out by the left's hero of the moment (as long as
it provides an argument against Bush or whoever might have wound up in the
White House in 2000).

In article ,
wrote:

In a country of 25 million people, and an Army of 150,000, stupid stuff
happens.

This is NOT "stupid stuff". This is a mind set through all ranks. It is a
general view on the Geneva convention and its worth held

so, you know the people in all ranks well enough to know their mind set?

do you know even one?


Which is more than you can say was happening in that same prison under
Sadaam's rule.

Oh yeah?

yep.

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.