Pre-buy Inspection

Sounds very reasonable and the honorable way to do business.

I can't understand why some people think the object is to get the lowest
price when the object should be to make an honest deal. Deal with your
trading partner honorably, you'll meet them again sooner or later somehow --
wouldn't it be nice to do so with a clear conscience?

--
Jim Carter
"Steve Foley" wrote in message
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Maybe I'm relating it too much to real estate.

Make an offer.
Arrange an inspection
negotiate anything revealed during the inspection
close.

If you tell me you want to do a pre-buy on my airplane, we will already
have
a price negotiated. If, after the pre-buy, you want to lower your offer
based on something you already knew before the pre-buy (when we negotiated
the price) I'm telling you to take a hike.

So what I hear you saying is that you won't have a clear conscience if
you haggle for the best price? I'm not out to hurt anyones feelings I
guess I am just treating it like a business deal. What is the deal here,
is the seller expecting full price even though there are issues that
were not revealed. My FBO did the annual on this plane and missed the
front fork being bent ( a known issue when people use tugs to move the
airplane and turn too sharp) it was clearly out of spec but I wasn't
told anything about it. I think it is a $700.00 or so repair. I also
found fuel seepage on the left wing that I was not told about. Now I
don't know **** about these planes except what I learned on the Internet
and I I wnet right to the troubled items and sure enough there were some
defects. I am not saying that my FBO delibertly tried to mislead me.
What I am saying is that a shop that deals with Mooney's every day would
have caught these issues in 5 minutes. This is why I am confuesed by
some of the posts almost condeming me for wanting a through inspection
that is going to cost me 5 or 6 hundred bucks. And your damn straight I
am going to use whatever the shop finds as a negotiating point. If the
seller balks then so be it. Let him rip someone else off. Make sense?
Thanks!!

Jon Kraus

Jim Carter wrote:
Sounds very reasonable and the honorable way to do business.

I can't understand why some people think the object is to get the lowest
price when the object should be to make an honest deal. Deal with your
trading partner honorably, you'll meet them again sooner or later somehow --
wouldn't it be nice to do so with a clear conscience?

Jon,
I'm not disagreeing with anything you wrote. My point was that I also
agree that if I already know the cylinder is low on compression, then I
would consider that before coming to a tentative price. The low compression
is a known issue before the pre-buy. Then if during the pre-buy I discovered
other things that I didn't know, I'd feel entitled to re-negotiate the
tentative price.

I don't think it would be proper to negotiate a tentative price, conduct
a pre-buy, and then come back and try to re-negotiate the price based on
things NOT found during the pre-buy. That would seem to me like I wasn't
negotiating in good faith before the pre-buy.

It's kind of like being given a timed test back when you were in school,
where once the time has run out for part one and you start the time for part
two, you aren't allowed to go back and change answers in part one.

--
Jim Carter
"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
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So what I hear you saying is that you won't have a clear conscience if
you haggle for the best price? I'm not out to hurt anyones feelings I
guess I am just treating it like a business deal. What is the deal here,
is the seller expecting full price even though there are issues that
were not revealed. My FBO did the annual on this plane and missed the
front fork being bent ( a known issue when people use tugs to move the
airplane and turn too sharp) it was clearly out of spec but I wasn't
told anything about it. I think it is a $700.00 or so repair. I also
found fuel seepage on the left wing that I was not told about. Now I
don't know **** about these planes except what I learned on the Internet
and I I wnet right to the troubled items and sure enough there were some
defects. I am not saying that my FBO delibertly tried to mislead me.
What I am saying is that a shop that deals with Mooney's every day would
have caught these issues in 5 minutes. This is why I am confuesed by
some of the posts almost condeming me for wanting a through inspection
that is going to cost me 5 or 6 hundred bucks. And your damn straight I
am going to use whatever the shop finds as a negotiating point. If the
seller balks then so be it. Let him rip someone else off. Make sense?
Thanks!!

Jon Kraus

Haggle all you want, but stop after you've agreed on a price.

"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
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So what I hear you saying is that you won't have a clear conscience if
you haggle for the best price?