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Old August 30th 04, 01:54 PM
Roger Long
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I'll have to confess to being mystified the overwhelming appeal among pilots
of a jet jockey who hid out in the National Guard over a GA pilot like us
who had the conviction to put his ass in the line of fire.

I think it has a lot to do with response to emergencies and, boy, are the
Republicans ever beating that drum. If you watched the convention coverage
without knowing the background, you would think they knocked those towers
down themselves and were proud of it. No wonder many Arabs think that is
what happened.

We train for instinctive reactions to emergencies. If an engine fails on
takeoff, we admire the pilot who, almost without thought, can pull the
throttle, feather the engine, put the proper rudder pedal in, and set the
proper airspeed while chewing gum and telling the tower he needs to come
around for an emergency landing.

Bush projects exactly that kind of smoothness, assurance, and decisive
response. It comforts the voters and makes pilots, especially those who do a
lot of emergency drilling, say, "My kind of guy."

I read a profile of Scott Crossfield recently. It described the thoroughness
of his preparations for flying the X-15 to the edge of space for the first
time, the questions, the double checking, the consideration of possible
failures. Above all, he was aware that things could happen that he would
have to improvise and think his way through instead of producing a drilled
and rehearsed reaction.

If a pilot had approached Crossfield's flights as if they were flying a
commuter twin from A to B, Crossfield and most of the rest of us would have
considered him a fool. If a commuter pilot approached each flight like it
was an X-15, he would be looking for a job after the first one (which he
delayed three days to have the cable tensions checked again).

Let's face it. This election is about handling terrorism. The major
philosophical divide is not liberal vs. conservative but whether dealing
with this new evil in the world is like flying the twin commuter or the
X-15.

It was "Ho, hum, we trained, fighting the last war, We're ready for
anything.", thinking that let 911 happen. The blame there is bi-partisan.

The response however, has been like a commuter twin pilot hopping in the
X-15 saying, "No problem, I spent two weeks at Flight Safety." Right now, it
looks like it's zooming up great and everyone's cheering but the guys on the
ground know that it's way out of it's flight envelop and the problems just
haven't shown up yet. (Did you watch 60 minutes last night?)

I'm pretty sure we are all riding in an X-15 right now. Nothing is certain
but I'd rather switch to a new pilot who at least has the potential and has
declared the policy approaches to conduct the flight Crossfield style than
one who has proven himself a cocky an arrogant cowboy with a propensity to
take the easy way out of every situation.


--

Roger Long




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Old August 30th 04, 03:22 PM
John Gaquin
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"Roger Long" wrote in message news:dsFYc.49999

I'll have to confess to being mystified the overwhelming appeal among

pilots
of a jet jockey who hid out in the National Guard over a GA pilot like us
who had the conviction to put his ass in the line of fire.


I'm a little mystified that any appeal should have anything to do with
wings.

If you want to use an aviation analogy, however, it can't be simplistic. A
more apt one might be to say - if we operate these particular flights today
and for the next year or so to these particular destinations, what will be
the impact on all these destination airports, as opposed to others, and what
will be the impact on all the airports we are not flying to? And if we do
operate in this manner, what will be the long term impact on the airline
industry and aircraft manufacturers, versus had we not operated the flights
at all? In short, if we operate the flights in this way as opposed to some
other way, will we, in ten years' time, still have aircraft and airports?
Still have a viable aviation system?


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Old August 30th 04, 05:08 PM
Corky Scott
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:54:33 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

We train for instinctive reactions to emergencies. If an engine fails on
takeoff, we admire the pilot who, almost without thought, can pull the
throttle, feather the engine, put the proper rudder pedal in, and set the
proper airspeed while chewing gum and telling the tower he needs to come
around for an emergency landing.

Bush projects exactly that kind of smoothness, assurance, and decisive
response. It comforts the voters and makes pilots, especially those who do a
lot of emergency drilling, say, "My kind of guy."


Well Roger, lucky for us we have film of exactly how "Dubya" reacted
when told the news of the attacks on the WTC because he was being
filmed at the time reading to kids in a classroom in Florida when an
aide approached and gave him the news. There it is in cold hard film,
the actual reaction of the big guy when told of the worst attack upon
the United States since Pearl Harbor.

His smooth assured and decisive reaction? He sat there stunned for 8
minutes on camera until someone came and hustled him out of the
classroom.

Maybe you can offer another, better, example of calm smooth assurance.
Please? I could sure use it because he often seems a sandwich short
of a picnic to me.

Corky Scott



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Old August 30th 04, 06:15 PM
Rosspilot
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Bush projects exactly that kind of smoothness, assurance, and decisive
response. It comforts the voters and makes pilots, especially those who do a
lot of emergency drilling, say, "My kind of guy."




CorkyWell Roger, lucky for us we have film of exactly how "Dubya" reacted
when told the news of the attacks on the WTC because he was being
filmed at the time reading to kids in a classroom in Florida when an
aide approached and gave him the news. There it is in cold hard film,
the actual reaction of the big guy when told of the worst attack upon
the United States since Pearl Harbor.

His smooth assured and decisive reaction? He sat there stunned for 8
minutes on camera until someone came and hustled him out of the
classroom.


Exactly. As close to the proverbial "deer in the headlights" look as I have
ever seen.
The film (and there are others besides Michael Moore's because many cameras
were rolling at the time) simply does NOT lie.

Maybe you can offer another, better, example of calm smooth assurance.
Please? I could sure use it because he often seems a sandwich short
of a picnic to me.


Well, he looked pretty self-assured when he landed on the aircraft carrier in a
flight suit under the "Mission Accomplished" banner. I'll be he loved that.
Probably enjoyed having Thanksgiving with the troops, too. He's (I am told) a
very nice guy, but he's way over his head.

And I promised myself I would stay out of politics on this NG . . . sorry, but
I couldn't help myself. :-(



www.Rosspilot.com


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Old August 30th 04, 06:40 PM
Roger Long
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We are talking appearance Vs reality here. One event shows planned
(probably by handlers) reactions and the other the real ones.

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Roger Long





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Old August 30th 04, 07:17 PM
C J Campbell
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"Corky Scott" wrote in message
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:54:33 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

We train for instinctive reactions to emergencies. If an engine fails on
takeoff, we admire the pilot who, almost without thought, can pull the
throttle, feather the engine, put the proper rudder pedal in, and set the
proper airspeed while chewing gum and telling the tower he needs to come
around for an emergency landing.

Bush projects exactly that kind of smoothness, assurance, and decisive
response. It comforts the voters and makes pilots, especially those who do
a
lot of emergency drilling, say, "My kind of guy."


Well Roger, lucky for us we have film of exactly how "Dubya" reacted
when told the news of the attacks on the WTC because he was being
filmed at the time reading to kids in a classroom in Florida when an
aide approached and gave him the news. There it is in cold hard film,
the actual reaction of the big guy when told of the worst attack upon
the United States since Pearl Harbor.

His smooth assured and decisive reaction? He sat there stunned for 8
minutes on camera until someone came and hustled him out of the
classroom.


Baloney. He continued reading. What was he supposed to do, run out of the
classroom screaming? Kerry himself admits to sitting stunned for 40 minutes,
so I suppose 8 minutes is five times better than Kerry.

Seriously, what is it that you think a President could have done? No one
knew whether it was a terrorist attack or just another airline accident. I
would be very interested in knowing what magical powers Presidents have.


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Old August 30th 04, 09:03 PM
Corky Scott
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:17:10 -0700, "C J Campbell"
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Seriously, what is it that you think a President could have done? No one
knew whether it was a terrorist attack or just another airline accident. I
would be very interested in knowing what magical powers Presidents have.


"Sorry kid's got to cut this short, I'll try to come back sometime
soon" Comes to mind.

Corky Scott

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Old August 31st 04, 03:25 AM
Tom S.
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"Corky Scott" wrote in message
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:17:10 -0700, "C J Campbell"
wrote:

Seriously, what is it that you think a President could have done? No one
knew whether it was a terrorist attack or just another airline accident.

I
would be very interested in knowing what magical powers Presidents have.


"Sorry kid's got to cut this short, I'll try to come back sometime
soon" Comes to mind.

And what would he have been able to do right away? Invade Afghanistan?

You've been watching too much TV / Hollyweird.

People have been deluded by Hollyweird on how the military/intelligence
services/police/government really works.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1183148/posts





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Old August 30th 04, 10:18 PM
Gary Drescher
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Baloney. He continued reading. What was he supposed to do, run out of the
classroom screaming?...

Seriously, what is it that you think a President could have done? No one
knew whether it was a terrorist attack or just another airline accident.


Two off-course airliners crashed into the World Trade Towers within minutes
of one another in clear weather, and no one knew if it was "just another
airline accident"? That's quite a spin, CJ!

What could a functioning president have done at that moment? How about
coordinating with the Pentagon and the FAA to determine the scope of the
attack, and giving an order to shoot down other hijacked planes (as Cheney
did, too late, an hour later).

Bush's own explanation is that he wanted to "project calm" (by continuing to
read "My Pet Goat"), rather than acknowledge that a major attack on US soil
requires the prompt attention of someone who's actually charge. It was the
response of someone who thinks only in terms of image, and leaves the real
substance to his handlers.

--Gary


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Old August 30th 04, 10:49 PM
Bill Denton
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Obviously you don't have very young children...



"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
newsQMYc.72468$9d6.48029@attbi_s54...
"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...
Baloney. He continued reading. What was he supposed to do, run out of

the
classroom screaming?...

Seriously, what is it that you think a President could have done? No one
knew whether it was a terrorist attack or just another airline accident.


Two off-course airliners crashed into the World Trade Towers within

minutes
of one another in clear weather, and no one knew if it was "just another
airline accident"? That's quite a spin, CJ!

What could a functioning president have done at that moment? How about
coordinating with the Pentagon and the FAA to determine the scope of the
attack, and giving an order to shoot down other hijacked planes (as Cheney
did, too late, an hour later).

Bush's own explanation is that he wanted to "project calm" (by continuing

to
read "My Pet Goat"), rather than acknowledge that a major attack on US

soil
requires the prompt attention of someone who's actually charge. It was the
response of someone who thinks only in terms of image, and leaves the real
substance to his handlers.

--Gary




 




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