Pathetic Pilot Salaries

In article , G.R. Patterson III wrote:

Yep, you've done things the right way so far. I missed the step over to C++ and
sidestepped to writing requirements. Wrong move, but the job market's picking up
there again. Pick up PERL while you're at it. For some reason, that's hot now.

I began learning Perl about 4 years ago (like a pilot's license,
learning the basics of a given language is a 'license to learn', so I've
never stopped learning it).

It's one of the most fun languages I've used. I find it very expressive
and natural to write - I don't find it clumsy like many scripting
languages.

(Actually, on my next CV (US readers: s/CV/resume/) I'm going to put
INTERCAL in the list of languages and see if the interviewer picks it up
:-))

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

In article , Dan Truesdell wrote:
Just talked with a very skilled associate. He prefers Java over C++,
and Python over Java. I've only done a few small projects in Python and
PERL. I found PERL to be a strange language to work with (you
definitely need your PERL hat on, like Scheme).

Python will be my next project, but I find Perl incredibly natural.

Perhaps it says something about my mental outlook :-)

'There was a Perl hacker named Ray
Who wanted the time of the day
He pushed and he popped
He shifted and chopped
'Till tomorrow was somehow today'

and

'Roses are red
Violets are blue
Taint check your scripts
Or I will 0wn j00'

(I'm not sure where I saw either of these two things, but I definitely
live by the latter).

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

In article , Dan Luke wrote:
The Southwest pilots I know are often unemployable elsewhere
- in fact, every Southwest pilot I know has crashed at least one
airplane. Small sample, but still...

SW's safety record would seem to support that. I know only one SW pilot,
and he's the best pilot I know.

The two SW pilots I know - one is Debbie Rihn-Harvey, a US Aerobatic
champion, and the other's a guy with two piston aircraft of his own
(neither of which he's crashed!) Both have a real passion for aviation.
I have had the privilege of flying formation with Debbie (albeit
briefly) as well as taking my Multi Engine/Instrument checkride with her.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

In article , ET wrote:
I disagree... Salaries will always be low in an occupation that is so
much fun, most of the participants would do it for free......

Which just comes around to supply and demand. A pilot shortage means
there are 20 people applying for each job instead of 200.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

"Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message

Fortunately or unfortunately, they don't seem to be moving towards that
point very quickly. The thing about a lot of them is that they are into
the field solely for the money and thus lack passion for the art. It
shows, in my experience.

This is a complaint among companies that use them (companies, in other
words, that deserve what they get.) The turnover rate at most of those
places is several hundred percent a year and as soon as the techs get
english and tech skills under their belt, they jump to a higher-paying job.
So the outsourcing companies are spending fortunes training employees who
leave only three or four months after completing the training, and their
images are being dragged through the mud because customers are getting
****ed at having to repeat themselves over and over just to get simple
things done.

AAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! Suck on THAT, Dell. Hewlett-Packard seems to have
outsourced its own internal support.

Now they're starting to pull back to domestic employment because it simply
works better. It's the exact sort of spiralling and selfish idiocy that led
to the near destruction of the dot com industry.

-c

gatt wrote:

"Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message


Fortunately or unfortunately, they don't seem to be moving towards that
point very quickly. The thing about a lot of them is that they are into
the field solely for the money and thus lack passion for the art. It
shows, in my experience.


This is a complaint among companies that use them (companies, in other
words, that deserve what they get.) The turnover rate at most of those
places is several hundred percent a year and as soon as the techs get
english and tech skills under their belt, they jump to a higher-paying job.
So the outsourcing companies are spending fortunes training employees who
leave only three or four months after completing the training, and their
images are being dragged through the mud because customers are getting
****ed at having to repeat themselves over and over just to get simple
things done.

AAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! Suck on THAT, Dell. Hewlett-Packard seems to have
outsourced its own internal support.

Now they're starting to pull back to domestic employment because it simply
works better. It's the exact sort of spiralling and selfish idiocy that led
to the near destruction of the dot com industry.

-c


Hah. At least one state (AZ) has outsourced its welfare call-in lines
to India!

"Dylan Smith" wrote

(Actually, on my next CV (US readers: s/CV/resume/) I'm going to put
INTERCAL in the list of languages and see if the interviewer picks it up
:-))

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man

Sorry, I must be slow. The joke is...?
--
Jim in NC

William W. Plummer ) wrote:
:
: Hah. At least one state (AZ) has outsourced its welfare call-in lines
: to India!
:

The total was 42 states and D.C...

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y2FF53F29
Your Tax Dollars At Work...Offsho
How Foreign Outsourcing Firms Are Capturing State Government Contracts

The original link, wrapped to 2 lines:

http://www.washtech.org/reports/TaxDollarsAtWork/
offshoring_finaltext_pdf.pdf
Your Tax Dollars At Work...Offsho
How Foreign Outsourcing Firms Are Capturing State Government Contracts

"...Interviews with EBT officials in every state and the District of
Columbia reveal that:

o Before the offshoring controversy began, the call centers for 42 states
and the District of Columbia were operating offshore. In most cases,
this occurred because the states gave EBT contracts to Citibank
Electronic Financial Services, which in turn subcontracted the call
center work to an Indian firm called MsourcE. (In 2003 Citibank sold
the business to J.P. Morgan Chase, which continued to use MsourcE.)
A smaller number of states ended up with offshore call centers through
their EBT contracts with eFunds Corporation or Affiliated Computer
Services Inc.

o As a result of the controversy, one state (New Jersey) has brought its
call center back to the United States, and five states (Arizona, Kansas,
North Carolina, Oregon and Wisconsin) are planning to do the same.

o Eight states (Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Ohio, Texas,
and Wyoming) avoided the use of offshore call centers because they hired
EBT contractors that used domestic facilities."

EBT: Electronic Benefit Transfer

--Jerry Leslie
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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:22:59 GMT, "William W. Plummer"
wrote:

Hah. At least one state (AZ) has outsourced its welfare call-in lines
to India!

It must be an odd experience to deal with a welfare case whose annual
income is greater than yours.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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Cub Driver wrote:

It must be an odd experience to deal with a welfare case whose annual
income is greater than yours.

The relative amounts of income are unimportant; it's what that money can buy. I'd bet
the call center employees live better on their pay than a welfare recipient does
here.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.