First Solo In Actual Conditions

Peter,

I understand that, which is why in the original post I stated that he
was only checked out in normally asirated planes. When I hear the
term "checked out" it usually means being authorized to use the planes
of a particular operation. As far as I know the FAA doesn't see any
difference between normally aspirated and fuel injected engines, so I
thought it was obvious it was an operator restriction. Maybe there
is another meaning and if so I will provide more clarity in the
future.

Dave

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message ...
"David B. Cole" wrote in message
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Since we wanted to switch seats at the destination, he wouldn't have
been able to fly left seat without being checked out.

As David said, that would be a club regulation issue. The FAA has no
prohibition against you acting as PIC from the right seat, nor against him
manipulating the controls from the left.

Perhaps you should clarify whose rules you're talking about and what you
mean by "checked out".

Pete

Yes; I just wanted to verify this is the case because there are common
misapprehensions about the regulatory qualifications needed to fly the plane
or act as SP. I suppose your phrase "normally aspirated" as opposed to
"fixed gear" or "under 200HP" should have clued me that wasn't what you
meant.

-- David Brooks

"David B. Cole" wrote in message
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Peter,

I understand that, which is why in the original post I stated that he
was only checked out in normally asirated planes. When I hear the
term "checked out" it usually means being authorized to use the planes
of a particular operation. As far as I know the FAA doesn't see any
difference between normally aspirated and fuel injected engines, so I
thought it was obvious it was an operator restriction. Maybe there
is another meaning and if so I will provide more clarity in the
future.

Dave

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...
"David B. Cole" wrote in message
m...
Since we wanted to switch seats at the destination, he wouldn't have
been able to fly left seat without being checked out.

As David said, that would be a club regulation issue. The FAA has no
prohibition against you acting as PIC from the right seat, nor against
him
manipulating the controls from the left.

Perhaps you should clarify whose rules you're talking about and what you
mean by "checked out".

Pete

Dave, along the lines of "clarity" which you mentioned:
"Normally aspirated" contrasts with "Supercharged", while
"Carbureted" contrasts with "Fuel Injected".
But that's OK -- we all finally understood what you meant.

If I were renting out fuel-injected or and/or supercharged airplanes,
I'd also want to be sure my renters understood how to operate them.
But I see no reason for the FAA to be involved in the matter.
---JRC---

"David B. Cole" wrote in message =
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Peter,
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I understand that, which is why in the original post I stated that he
was only checked out in normally asirated planes. When I hear the
term "checked out" it usually means being authorized to use the planes
of a particular operation. As far as I know the FAA doesn't see any
difference between normally aspirated and fuel injected engines, so I
thought it was obvious it was an operator restriction. Maybe there
is another meaning and if so I will provide more clarity in the
future.
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Dave
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In article ,
"John R. Copeland" wrote:

If I were renting out fuel-injected or and/or supercharged airplanes,
I'd also want to be sure my renters understood how to operate them.
But I see no reason for the FAA to be involved in the matter.

Other than some quirks in how you start them, I can't think of anything
you really need to know about fuel injection to safely fly a fuel
injected airplane. Certainly nothing that couldn't be taught in a
couple of minutes (i.e. "there's no carb heat").

Supercharging is a bit more complicated. You can get into trouble
and/or damage the airplane, if you don't know how the system works.

A much steeper learning curve is mastering the current crop of avionics.
Somebody who did their instrument training with 2 NAV/COMs and an ADF
can get themselves into a world of hurt if they launch into IMC with a
modern GPS and think they can figure it out as they go. I guess the FAA
figures people are smart enough to not do that.

In article ,
Roy Smith wrote:
Other than some quirks in how you start them,

....which don't show up until your renter has flown to a distant airport,
shut down, and now wants to restart the hot engine.

injected airplane. Certainly nothing that couldn't be taught in a
couple of minutes (i.e. "there's no carb heat").

You just made me realize that I should know more about my alternate air
than I do...

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

In article Sl3_c.96690$9d6.67401@attbi_s54, (Ben Jackson)
wrote:

In article ,
Roy Smith wrote:
Other than some quirks in how you start them,

...which don't show up until your renter has flown to a distant airport,
shut down, and now wants to restart the hot engine.

Which is certainly inconvenient, but it's really difficult to do any
serious damage to the airplane if it's on the ground and you can't get
the engine started :-)

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In article Sl3_c.96690$9d6.67401@attbi_s54, (Ben =
Jackson)=20
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In article ,
Roy Smith wrote:
Other than some quirks in how you start them,
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...which don't show up until your renter has flown to a distant =
airport,
shut down, and now wants to restart the hot engine.
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Which is certainly inconvenient, but it's really difficult to do any=20
serious damage to the airplane if it's on the ground and you can't get =

the engine started :-)

Yeah, but if it's MY airplane, I'm the one who has to replace the =
starter
which the renter might overheat by excessive cranking of the balky =
engine.
---JRC---

In article ,
"John R. Copeland" wrote:

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
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In article Sl3 c.96690$9d6.67401@attbi s54, (Ben Jackson)
wrote:

In article ,
Roy Smith wrote:
Other than some quirks in how you start them,

...which don't show up until your renter has flown to a distant airport,
shut down, and now wants to restart the hot engine.

Which is certainly inconvenient, but it's really difficult to do any
serious damage to the airplane if it's on the ground and you can't get
the engine started :-)

Yeah, but if it's MY airplane, I'm the one who has to replace the starter
which the renter might overheat by excessive cranking of the balky engine.
---JRC---

If it's a typical rent-a-wreck, the battery will run down long before
you can do any damage to the starter.