Aviation crash videos on-line

I'm sorry, but just the video alone without a corresponding report does
little to serve the safety issue. To serve the safety issue, video must
be viewed in an investigative context by people who know how to evaluate
that video.

This is an excellent point, Dudley, and I would like to propose an idea that
could help all pilots, AND improve the utility of my website.

As I'm sure you are aware, I, too, have an aviation video page on our
hotel's website. (See it at
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm ) It is chock-full of
fascinating aviation videos, some that are just plain cool, some that show
landing in Iowa City for potential guests -- and others that depict terrible
crash footage.

In some cases I have included commentary from people who were actually
involved in the situations depicted. (The B-52 crash, for example.) With
most, however, I have no way to identify the people and pilots involved,
since most of the videos have been sent to me by fellow pilots from all over
the world.

You are an aviation expert with a unique expertise in aviation safety. You
are also obviously incensed at the notion of aviation crash videos being
viewed outside of the aviation safety context. As I've read your posts,
I've come around to see that there is much truth in your convictions.

I, on the other hand, am interested in maintaining (and expanding) a very
popular page on our website, not because it nets me any money (it does not)
but because I personally find these videos to be fascinating.

Perhaps we can meld the two together?

How would you like to provide a short commentary on each crash video, for
inclusion on our website? Perhaps a paragraph or two, with your expert
opinion on what happened, how the incident could have been prevented, what
steps have been taken since the accident to prevent a recurrence, etc., etc.

Really, you would have carte blanche to write whatever you felt was
appropriate, as a service to your fellow (and future) pilots.

What do you say? Want to help fix the problem?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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How would you like to provide a short commentary on each crash video, for
inclusion on our website? Perhaps a paragraph or two, with your expert
opinion on what happened

Regarding your video of the "tragic" mid-air crash between the two
Migs, I was there, it was RIAT Fairford '93. Both pilots walked away.
Literally. One walked back to the commentary box and apologised to
the crowd.

I have a half hour programme recorded about this incident with a lot of
comment from the pilots involved. If I can get hold of an analogue TV
adaptor for my PC, I'll digitise it and send it over.

Basically the no.2 says it was his fault. The leader went into cloud at
the top of a loop while the no.2 was flying in close formation. The no.2
pulled over harder to avoid going into cloud. He was now doing a
loop of a smaller dimension than the leader. Rather than knock it
off, he continued. The leader came around and not seeing the no.2,
decided to break up and out, the standard formation break. Not sure
I've got that 100% right but it's something similar. There was a no.3
guy on the ground in a transport plane and made a radio call to separate
the aircraft but happened to transmit the same time as someone else on
frequency.

Paul

I have a half hour programme recorded about this incident with a lot of
comment from the pilots involved. If I can get hold of an analogue TV
adaptor for my PC, I'll digitise it and send it over.

That would be great, Paul. Thanks!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I have a half hour programme recorded about this incident with a lot of
comment from the pilots involved. If I can get hold of an analogue TV
adaptor for my PC, I'll digitise it and send it over.

That would be great, Paul. Thanks!
--
Jay Honeck

Another choice is to take the tape over to a local community college, and
see if they can convert it for you. Most of the better ones have the
equipment, and are glad to do it for a 12 pack of soda pop (or something)
--
Jim in NC


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Another choice is to take the tape over to a local community college, and
see if they can convert it for you. Most of the better ones have the
equipment, and are glad to do it for a 12 pack of soda pop (or something)

Man, I've got a couple of dozen hours of video, taken since 1990, all
analog. Everything from the birth of my two kids, to flights over the
Grand Canyon.

I'd love to convert them to digital, and put 'em on DVD. I wonder how many
12-packs *that* would cost?

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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| Another choice is to take the tape over to a local community college,
and
| see if they can convert it for you. Most of the better ones have the
| equipment, and are glad to do it for a 12 pack of soda pop (or
something)
|
| Man, I've got a couple of dozen hours of video, taken since 1990, all
| analog. Everything from the birth of my two kids, to flights over the
| Grand Canyon.
|
| I'd love to convert them to digital, and put 'em on DVD. I wonder how
many
| 12-packs *that* would cost?
|
| :-)
| --
| Jay Honeck
| Iowa City, IA
| Pathfinder N56993
| www.AlexisParkInn.com
| "Your Aviation Destination"
|
|


G'day Guys,


This is the device that use on my notebook and it's got to be one of dozens
of similar USB capture cards on the market.


I don't work for this crowd and I'd assume that you'd find somewhere more
local to buy it from anyway.

In short, this beast digitizes real time video into real time mpegs, wmv
etc and also has a TV tuner, so I can record from live or cable TV -
directly onto the hard disk.


http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/index....de=MU-LTTVUSB2
--


It's a time consuming process - even with a fast computer - and if you want
your videos converted without copies being made without your consent - do it
at home.





Cheers


Dave Kearton

"Dave Kearton" wrote

G'day Guys,


This is the device that use on my notebook and it's got to be one of
dozens
of similar USB capture cards on the market.


I don't work for this crowd and I'd assume that you'd find somewhere more
local to buy it from anyway.

In short, this beast digitizes real time video into real time mpegs, wmv
etc and also has a TV tuner, so I can record from live or cable TV -
directly onto the hard disk.



http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/index....de=MU-LTTVUSB2
--


It's a time consuming process - even with a fast computer - and if you
want
your videos converted without copies being made without your consent - do
it
at home.





Cheers


Dave Kearton

Test drive before you buy. I have found that these things, in that price
range have CRAPPY resolution. DAMHIKT
--
Jim in NC


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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Man, I've got a couple of dozen hours of video, taken since 1990, all
analog. Everything from the birth of my two kids, to flights over the
Grand Canyon.

I'd love to convert them to digital, and put 'em on DVD. I wonder how
many
12-packs *that* would cost?

You should have bought a card before the school holidays and got
your son to do it. 25 cents per hour of video?

Paul

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I'm sorry, but just the video alone without a corresponding report
does
little to serve the safety issue. To serve the safety issue, video
must
be viewed in an investigative context by people who know how to
evaluate
that video.

This is an excellent point, Dudley, and I would like to propose an
idea that could help all pilots, AND improve the utility of my
website.

As I'm sure you are aware, I, too, have an aviation video page on our
hotel's website. (See it at
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm ) It is chock-full
of fascinating aviation videos, some that are just plain cool, some
that show landing in Iowa City for potential guests -- and others that
depict terrible crash footage.

In some cases I have included commentary from people who were actually
involved in the situations depicted. (The B-52 crash, for example.)
With most, however, I have no way to identify the people and pilots
involved, since most of the videos have been sent to me by fellow
pilots from all over the world.

You are an aviation expert with a unique expertise in aviation safety.
You are also obviously incensed at the notion of aviation crash videos
being viewed outside of the aviation safety context. As I've read
your posts, I've come around to see that there is much truth in your
convictions.

I, on the other hand, am interested in maintaining (and expanding) a
very popular page on our website, not because it nets me any money (it
does not) but because I personally find these videos to be
fascinating.

Perhaps we can meld the two together?

How would you like to provide a short commentary on each crash video,
for inclusion on our website? Perhaps a paragraph or two, with your
expert opinion on what happened, how the incident could have been
prevented, what steps have been taken since the accident to prevent a
recurrence, etc., etc.

Really, you would have carte blanche to write whatever you felt was
appropriate, as a service to your fellow (and future) pilots.

What do you say? Want to help fix the problem?

Well, first of all, and not to sound too sarcastic, I've been "helping
to fix the problem" all through my career.
That being said, I believe your site the video displayed there are well
within my definition for ethical presentation, not that this matters all
that much.
You have obviously made an effort to present these images in a proper
context, including safety related data whenever and wherever possible.
In other words, it's obvious from knowing you personally and being aware
of your genuine interest in aviation safety, including what you are
asking me to do, that your intent is to better the safety scene.
You should be aware however, in asking someone like me to offer comment
on a crash where I'm not involved with the investigation, that although
I might have a degree of experience in air safety matters, my opinion on
a video where I am not directly involved, or have not been directly
involved with the specifics of the accident, would simply be one more
opinion, no matter how "educated" from the sidelines.
In addition, I have just finished, along with a hand picked group of
pilots specializing in airshow and demonstration expertise, over a
year's direct involvement with Gen Barker's fine manual on airshow
safety, "Zero Error Margin". Included in this book is detailed
information on most of the videos on your site. This information is
accident specific and includes the official reports and notation from
professional pilots who are directly involved in our business. I highly
recommend that interested parties obtain a copy of this book, as I
consider it indispensable as a source of exactly the information you are
seeking from me.
In light of these circumstances, and also because I have little use for
the back and forth on these matters that occurs on Usenet, I will
respectfully decline your kind offer and refer you and all others
interested in the safety issues involved with these videos to Gen
Barker's book.
I will be most happy to supply the information needed to purchase this
volume...and before anyone on Usenet asks me.....NO, I didn't get paid
for my contributions to the book, NOR do I gain financially from the
sale of the book. All work on this volume was by invitation only and was
complete voluntary by all concerned!
Thank you
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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(snip)

First of all, thank you for posting the videos.

After downloading and viewing them all (thank goodness for broadband!), some
comments:

May I suggest that 'Cool Videos' might give the wrong impression, when quite
a few people die in the incidents depicted?

The MiG 29 crash, OTOH, was in no sense tragic. Nobody was hurt even, as
someone else has pointed out.

The Airbus crash was nothing to do with the FBW system, except in the sense
that the pilots trusted overmuch in it to keep them from crashing. It was
also not the first fully automatic aircraft, or whatever the exact form of
words you use are. Basically they flew too slow and low and their planning
was poor.

What the hell is the fake bird ad for the Ford Ka doing there?

Respectfully yours

John Mullen