Aviation crash videos on-line

Well, I'll give you this much Honek. I missed your "cool" sign for some
reason the first time I checked out your site and posted back on your
"request" that I join you in "changing" things I've already been
changing for the last fifty years; not realizing that sign was there. My
mistake!
I don't give a rat's ass how many posts have addressed this issue. One
fact remains for me when dealing with you on this, and that is the
simple fact that of all the titles you could have used for a site
showing people dying in airplanes you actively thought about it and
CHOSE the phrase "COOL".

You know, Dud, your hypocrisy is really starting to irk me.

1. I've tried to spoon-feed you the explanation for how the page -- an
insignificant page in a gigantic website -- evolved from "cool" videos to
what it is today -- an explanation you have disdained.

2. I have given you every opportunity to explain your ethical (and bizarre)
opposition to the viewing of these videos -- which you have refused to do.

3. I have put up with your condescending tone and sanctimonious attitude --
despite the fact that you quite obviously don't have a clue what you're
talking about.

4. Despite all this, I EVEN GAVE YOU THE CHANCE TO PUT YOUR PERSONAL
IMPRIMATUR ON EACH GOD DAMNED VIDEO, so that they would be truly "safety
oriented" -- an action which you decided you were not qualified to perform.

I have exercised extreme patience with someone I thought was worthy of
admiration and honor over the last several years, hoping that perhaps logic
and good spirits would prevail over irrationality and surliness.

Now you have the audacity and impudence to insult and threaten me, in this
public forum (AND in private email)?

At last your true colors are showing, sir. What a shame.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Well, I'll give you this much Honek. I missed your "cool" sign for
some
reason the first time I checked out your site and posted back on your
"request" that I join you in "changing" things I've already been
changing for the last fifty years; not realizing that sign was there.
My
mistake!
I don't give a rat's ass how many posts have addressed this issue.
One
fact remains for me when dealing with you on this, and that is the
simple fact that of all the titles you could have used for a site
showing people dying in airplanes you actively thought about it and
CHOSE the phrase "COOL".

You know, Dud, your hypocrisy is really starting to irk me.

1. I've tried to spoon-feed you the explanation for how the page -- an
insignificant page in a gigantic website -- evolved from "cool" videos
to
what it is today -- an explanation you have disdained.

I asked you NOT to post under me again, but I can see that's useless.
I'll engage you.
Your bull**** statement above STILL doesn't explain how you added crash
video with people dying in aiplanes and STILL allowed the two words
"COOL" and "ENJOY" to remain on your site. Those two words were there
every time you looked at the site and could have been removed at any
time.....but you DIDN'T remove those two insane words did you? You left
them there knowing full well that you were putting death scenes on the
site with these two words an active part of the presentation.
You're full of **** Honek, and a phoney of the first order. You were
using that page for the "interest" it would generate in your GD hotel,
and I don't give a damn how much you say the page wasn't seen. You
obviously wanted it just the way it was or you would have changed it!

2. I have given you every opportunity to explain your ethical (and
bizarre)
opposition to the viewing of these videos -- which you have refused to
do.

Then I'll do it again for you here and now, just as I've done it several
times before this.
I don't object to crash video. I object to idiots like you presenting it
under the words "COOL" and "ENJOY". Is that plain enough for you you
jerk?

3. I have put up with your condescending tone and sanctimonious
attitude --
despite the fact that you quite obviously don't have a clue what
you're
talking about.

Right! I'll inform the rest of the world immediately! They'll want to
retract fifty years of sought after professional advice.

4. Despite all this, I EVEN GAVE YOU THE CHANCE TO PUT YOUR PERSONAL
IMPRIMATUR ON EACH GOD DAMNED VIDEO, so that they would be truly
"safety
oriented" -- an action which you decided you were not qualified to
perform.

Right! I'm not qualified. What you did was conviently forget to inform
me that this "video" of yours was appearing under the words "COOL" and
"ENJOY". You'll never know how lucky you were I caught this before
putting my name on that site. Your hotel lobby would have become a
meeting place for some very angry people with a lot to say to you
personally.

I have exercised extreme patience with someone I thought was worthy of
admiration and honor over the last several years, hoping that perhaps
logic
and good spirits would prevail over irrationality and surliness.

Oh give me a ****ing break! You tried to con me into coming on your site
with you in one of your "put up or shut up deals" and it didn't work.
Who the hell do you think you're kidding?

Now you have the audacity and impudence to insult and threaten me, in
this
public forum (AND in private email)?
....and I'll repeat it for you here, exactly as I wrote it to you. In
fact, I'm pasting it in here word for word. If you have any "threats"
that are different, feel free to post them with my name on them.
I wrote to you; ver batum;
Congratulations moron; a wonderful job of hotel marketing...simply
wonderful.

In one swell swoop, you have shown the world that you not only allow,
but CHOOSE adjectives such as "cool" and "enjoy" to appear on your web
site along with video of people dying in airplanes and the WTC to
boot.
You're simply brilliant fella...REAL Mensa material.
As if this isn't enough, in the same thread, you invite one of the
world's most involved pilots on the subject of flight safety to join
you in this endeavor bringing his personal attention to the site. Then
you manage to **** off that pilot so badly he downloads the site and
is sending it out to every aviation contact he has to be used to bring
attention to the issue along with suitable remarks.
Yes Honek, thank you so much for bringing your wonderful web site to
my attention!
BTW, I'm sending it out both showing it before and after the changes.
and oh yes, you have ****ed off the worst person you could have
possibly picked to confront on this issue...trust me!!!
I guess you didn't know Mark McGeehan did you asshole?
Great guy......Bud Holland's right seat. He's dead of course!
'"COOL" "ENJOY"
Do yourself a favor Honek. Post under me in the future at your own
risk.
I won't EVER post to you again unless posted first by you, and if you
do, post under me on ANY subject, consider me totally hostile, and
this will NEVER change as long as I'm on Usenet!
Enjoy your hotel!
Dudley

Plain enough for you. I don't see any "threats" there. Just some actions
I've taken concerning my reaction and comment on a web site that is
completely public domain.
God, what a ****ing moron you are. Threatening my ass! The only threats
you have received from me is the threat that had I actually posted to
your site in the interest of flight safety; then discovered your use of
the two words "COOL" and "ENJOY" with my name under them; I would have
marched into your GD lobby with several dozen other "interested"
parties from the aviation community and demanded that you remove my name
and any reference of me from your website!
Go on moron, show us some more threats other than that!


At last your true colors are showing, sir. What a shame.

Yeah; RIGHT! My colors!! Give it a rest Honek.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

.....and of course the always present hotel link!

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

"Dudley Henriques" wrote

God, what a ****ing moron you are.

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship


I had always thought you to be a bit sanctimonious, but I put up with it for
the knowledge you brought. It just isn't worth it any longer.

Plonk. Sigh.
--
Jim in NC


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"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote

God, what a ****ing moron you are.

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship


I had always thought you to be a bit sanctimonious, but I put up with
it for
the knowledge you brought. It just isn't worth it any longer.

Plonk. Sigh.
--
Jim in NC

Thank God! I'm done with at least one idiot anyway! Now if a few more of
you out there who have "put up with me" through the years while learning
something from me like this idiot says he did will only go "plonk",
perhaps I'll be left after I've cooled off with the people who are
worthwhile around this place. Go on gang, let's clean this up once and
for all. All you "plonkers" who can't deal with my anger about this go
on and get it done. The rest of you out there have been a pleasure for
me through the years and I'm sure that you realize that tomorrow, when
I'm not quite so angry as I am right now, my dialog will return to it's
usual non aggressive manner. In the meanwhile, the plonkers are welcome
to plonk as they see fit.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

"Morgans" wrote in message
...
I had always thought you to be a bit sanctimonious, but I put up with it
for
the knowledge you brought. It just isn't worth it any longer.

Plonk. Sigh.
--
Jim in NC

Your loss!

Tex Houston

God, what a ****ing moron you are. Threatening my ass! The only threats
you have received from me is the threat that had I actually posted to
your site in the interest of flight safety; then discovered your use of
the two words "COOL" and "ENJOY" with my name under them;

Dudley -- if this really IS you -- this is just another display of
irrationality. For example, you might stop to consider that your
participation in the re-design of the website would have meant the
elimination of any potentially offensive words, like "cool" and "enjoy."

After all, YOU would have been writing the captions.

To any internet experts who might be reading this: Is it possible that
someone has hijacked Dudley's email address and Usenet signature? I find
it absolutely impossible to believe that the bizarre posts I'm reading here
under his name are from the same guy who has been posting here for all these
years.

Between the profanity and bizarre leaps of illogic, they don't appear to be
written in Dudley's same style and manner.

It's either criminal, or sad -- I don't know which.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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God, what a ****ing moron you are. Threatening my ass! The only
threats
you have received from me is the threat that had I actually posted to
your site in the interest of flight safety; then discovered your use
of
the two words "COOL" and "ENJOY" with my name under them;

Dudley -- if this really IS you -- this is just another display of
irrationality. For example, you might stop to consider that your
participation in the re-design of the website would have meant the
elimination of any potentially offensive words, like "cool" and
"enjoy."

After all, YOU would have been writing the captions.

To any internet experts who might be reading this: Is it possible
that
someone has hijacked Dudley's email address and Usenet signature? I
find
it absolutely impossible to believe that the bizarre posts I'm reading
here
under his name are from the same guy who has been posting here for all
these
years.

Between the profanity and bizarre leaps of illogic, they don't appear
to be
written in Dudley's same style and manner.

It's either criminal, or sad -- I don't know which.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Sorry, no sale! You made no mention to me about any ability to change
your wording on your site until this moment, and it was by sheer
accident I discovered those two words before joining you, which would
have been a HUGE mistake for me.
I've cooled off enough now to clean up my language with you, but I
haven't changed my mind one iota about either you or the site.
You have yet to explain, not necessarily to me, but to everyone here,
how you allowed the words COOL and ENJOY to CONTINUE UNCHANGED as you
were putting crash video with people dying, on your site. You have the
option to do that now if you wish. If not, I'll let it be!
Just be advised that you and I are not on friendly terms any longer. I
will not post to you unless posted to by you. If you can abide by that,
you will hear no more from me on this issue.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

Sorry, no sale! You made no mention to me about any ability to change
your wording on your site until this moment, and it was by sheer
accident I discovered those two words before joining you, which would
have been a HUGE mistake for me.

The only mistake you have made was not thinking before typing.

I invited you to write an "expert" safety commentary on each video. This
would have included pretty much anything you wanted to write.

Just be advised that you and I are not on friendly terms any longer.

I'll still be here, and there will still be a cold one waiting for you
whenever you come to Oshkosh or Iowa City -- but not till after they've
adjusted your meds.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Sorry, no sale! You made no mention to me about any ability to change
your wording on your site until this moment, and it was by sheer
accident I discovered those two words before joining you, which would
have been a HUGE mistake for me.

The only mistake you have made was not thinking before typing.

I invited you to write an "expert" safety commentary on each video.
This
would have included pretty much anything you wanted to write.

Listen up Jay, and see if you can get once and for all what I'm telling
you about you, your site, and how that relates to all this crap you're
trying to soft sell around here about flight safety being a "concern" of
yours and how I could have "contributed" to your site simply by
accepting your idiotic offer to me. I made it quite plain in my initial
answer to you but since flight safety was never really your reason for
making your "offer" in the first place, it must have gone right over
your head.
In viewing crash video in a flight safety context, to even begin to get
useful data from that video, it takes weeks of intensive work by a team
of experts using eye witness accounts coupled with more expert technical
opinion from factory reps and technicicans before even a glimmer of
factual information begins to emerge. There are literally hundreds of
factors to be considered before one...yes, I said ONE single useful
detail emerges that can be truthfully considered as a probable cause.
After THAT has taken place, the same experts have to gather again and
prepare a report that suggests the changes necessary to help prevent
that SPECIFIC accident from happening again.
Now, perhaps you can see why people in the flight safety business frown
on people like you pushing the flight safety issue as the excuse for
showing crash video on a public web site. The plain simple truth is that
there is no flight safety benefit derived from viewing these videos
simply from the video itself.
Sure, any moron can comment on the video. That doesn't take any brains
at all; but it's just conjecture, even if it's from an "expert" like me!
So don't try and push this "all you had to do was comment" thing at me
pal, I know better, and I hope some of the rest of the pilots around
here know better as well.
Crash video put up on a public web site is simply crash video. You can
spout off all day long about getting "experts" to comment for safety
reasons, but all that is from a professional viewpoint is an excuse for
showing the videos.
You "invited" me to join you on your web site and I declined for several
reasons. The above are the professional reasons. The personal reason was
because I realized your "invitation" to me was simply a "put up or shut
up" scenario, and I don't respond to that to begin with. Then, when I
discovered you had the words COOL and ENJOY on the site, your
"invitation" became the ultimate insult! No ligitimate person even
remotely involved in flight safety issues would even consider being
involved on a site like yours. If you doubt this, go find another
ligitimate safety expert who will accept your "offer" to comment on
crash video showing people dying on the same page as the words COOL and
ENJOY; then come back and let us now who he or she is. I'd like to meet
that person, and I'm betting there are others on this group who would
like to meet them too.


Just be advised that you and I are not on friendly terms any longer.

I'll still be here, and there will still be a cold one waiting for you
whenever you come to Oshkosh or Iowa City -- but not till after
they've
adjusted your meds.

No thank you. I have no control over who I have to deal with on Usenet,
but I can still pick with whom I want to share a drink. People who show
crash video on commercial hotel websites under the heading COOL and
ENJOY trying to involve my expertise to help sell hotel rooms I don't
drink with.
In closing, I have an invitation for you in front of this entire group.
If you're all that enamoured with my expertise as a flight safety
expert, and you have all this unbounded respect for my opinion on the
issue that caused you to invite me on your crash page with you; and have
so stated this high regard for my opinion on this newsgroup ; then after
what I've told you in this post about the uselessness of viewing crash
video on a public web page for safety reasons, let me now suggest that
you remove all crash video from your web site nor that you know it has
so little value in the flight safety context.
As they say in chess......CHECK!!!!
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

Now, perhaps you can see why people in the flight safety business frown
on people like you pushing the flight safety issue as the excuse for
showing crash video on a public web site. The plain simple truth is that
there is no flight safety benefit derived from viewing these videos
simply from the video itself.

First of all, I never claimed that my website had ANYTHING to do with
"flight safety" -- although I offered you the chance to help change that.

Putting that aside for the moment, let's see if I've got your new story
straight.

1. You started this thread by commenting that you "detest" people who show
aviation accident videos on the internet, because the videos have no
connection to flight safety.

2. You went on to say that you were fine with these videos, IF they were
presented in the context of flight safety. In other words, with proper
commentary.

3. You describe yourself as a "flight safety expert" -- but freely admit
that you're not "qualified" to intelligently comment on ANY of the videos.
How is this possible? The videos on our website depict some of the most
famous air disasters in recorded history -- yet you, an avowed "expert" in
the field, with 50 years of experience, cannot comment?

4. NOW you're stating that there can be NO flight safety benefit derived
from viewing these videos on-line, anywhere, ever?

Pardon me, but your slip is showing.

Crash video put up on a public web site is simply crash video. You can
spout off all day long about getting "experts" to comment for safety
reasons, but all that is from a professional viewpoint is an excuse for
showing the videos.

I had no intention of getting any "experts" to comment on any videos, until
you made your entry into this thread. The videos are on the site because
(a) I find them to be fascinating, and (b) they are extremely popular.

Whether you -- or any other "flight safety expert" comments on any of the
videos is of no consequence. I thought adding commentary was an idea with
some merit, as long as you and I happened to be discussing the issue --
nothing more, nothing less.

You "invited" me to join you on your web site and I declined for several
reasons. The above are the professional reasons. The personal reason was
because I realized your "invitation" to me was simply a "put up or shut
up" scenario, and I don't respond to that to begin with.

Doncha just hate that when someone calls your bluff? You were given the
opportunity to prove to the world (or, at least, this little worldwide
newsgroup) that you were indeed some sort of a "flight safety expert." You
had a perfect opportunity to correct what you had announced was a horrible
injustice, by helping to change our video page into a truly useful (rather
than just mildly interesting) web page -- but, as expected, you instead have
come up with a dozen bogus reasons why you can't do it.

Then, when THAT bluff was called, you went off on wild, raging tantrums,
simply to divert attention away from the fact that you really have no
interest in changing ANYTHING -- you just want to sit on the sidelines, and
throw stones.

Put up or shut up, indeed. Your chance has come, and -- thankfully -- gone.

In closing, I have an invitation for you in front of this entire group.
If you're all that enamoured with my expertise as a flight safety
expert, and you have all this unbounded respect for my opinion on the
issue that caused you to invite me on your crash page with you; and have
so stated this high regard for my opinion on this newsgroup ; then after
what I've told you in this post about the uselessness of viewing crash
video on a public web page for safety reasons, let me now suggest that
you remove all crash video from your web site nor that you know it has
so little value in the flight safety context.

My respect, admiration, and honor were sadly and clearly misplaced. After
reading your diatribes of the last several days, I can only thank God that
you declined my invitation.

As I've already stated, I will be making some minor changes to the wording
on the page, as my time permits.

As they say in chess......CHECK!!!!

Have a nice life, Dudley.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"