Aviation crash videos on-line

God, what a ****ing moron you are. Threatening my ass! The only threats
you have received from me is the threat that had I actually posted to
your site in the interest of flight safety; then discovered your use of
the two words "COOL" and "ENJOY" with my name under them;

Dudley -- if this really IS you -- this is just another display of
irrationality. For example, you might stop to consider that your
participation in the re-design of the website would have meant the
elimination of any potentially offensive words, like "cool" and "enjoy."

After all, YOU would have been writing the captions.

To any internet experts who might be reading this: Is it possible that
someone has hijacked Dudley's email address and Usenet signature? I find
it absolutely impossible to believe that the bizarre posts I'm reading here
under his name are from the same guy who has been posting here for all these
years.

Between the profanity and bizarre leaps of illogic, they don't appear to be
written in Dudley's same style and manner.

It's either criminal, or sad -- I don't know which.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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God, what a ****ing moron you are. Threatening my ass! The only
threats
you have received from me is the threat that had I actually posted to
your site in the interest of flight safety; then discovered your use
of
the two words "COOL" and "ENJOY" with my name under them;

Dudley -- if this really IS you -- this is just another display of
irrationality. For example, you might stop to consider that your
participation in the re-design of the website would have meant the
elimination of any potentially offensive words, like "cool" and
"enjoy."

After all, YOU would have been writing the captions.

To any internet experts who might be reading this: Is it possible
that
someone has hijacked Dudley's email address and Usenet signature? I
find
it absolutely impossible to believe that the bizarre posts I'm reading
here
under his name are from the same guy who has been posting here for all
these
years.

Between the profanity and bizarre leaps of illogic, they don't appear
to be
written in Dudley's same style and manner.

It's either criminal, or sad -- I don't know which.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Sorry, no sale! You made no mention to me about any ability to change
your wording on your site until this moment, and it was by sheer
accident I discovered those two words before joining you, which would
have been a HUGE mistake for me.
I've cooled off enough now to clean up my language with you, but I
haven't changed my mind one iota about either you or the site.
You have yet to explain, not necessarily to me, but to everyone here,
how you allowed the words COOL and ENJOY to CONTINUE UNCHANGED as you
were putting crash video with people dying, on your site. You have the
option to do that now if you wish. If not, I'll let it be!
Just be advised that you and I are not on friendly terms any longer. I
will not post to you unless posted to by you. If you can abide by that,
you will hear no more from me on this issue.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

Sorry, no sale! You made no mention to me about any ability to change
your wording on your site until this moment, and it was by sheer
accident I discovered those two words before joining you, which would
have been a HUGE mistake for me.

The only mistake you have made was not thinking before typing.

I invited you to write an "expert" safety commentary on each video. This
would have included pretty much anything you wanted to write.

Just be advised that you and I are not on friendly terms any longer.

I'll still be here, and there will still be a cold one waiting for you
whenever you come to Oshkosh or Iowa City -- but not till after they've
adjusted your meds.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Sorry, no sale! You made no mention to me about any ability to change
your wording on your site until this moment, and it was by sheer
accident I discovered those two words before joining you, which would
have been a HUGE mistake for me.

The only mistake you have made was not thinking before typing.

I invited you to write an "expert" safety commentary on each video.
This
would have included pretty much anything you wanted to write.

Listen up Jay, and see if you can get once and for all what I'm telling
you about you, your site, and how that relates to all this crap you're
trying to soft sell around here about flight safety being a "concern" of
yours and how I could have "contributed" to your site simply by
accepting your idiotic offer to me. I made it quite plain in my initial
answer to you but since flight safety was never really your reason for
making your "offer" in the first place, it must have gone right over
your head.
In viewing crash video in a flight safety context, to even begin to get
useful data from that video, it takes weeks of intensive work by a team
of experts using eye witness accounts coupled with more expert technical
opinion from factory reps and technicicans before even a glimmer of
factual information begins to emerge. There are literally hundreds of
factors to be considered before one...yes, I said ONE single useful
detail emerges that can be truthfully considered as a probable cause.
After THAT has taken place, the same experts have to gather again and
prepare a report that suggests the changes necessary to help prevent
that SPECIFIC accident from happening again.
Now, perhaps you can see why people in the flight safety business frown
on people like you pushing the flight safety issue as the excuse for
showing crash video on a public web site. The plain simple truth is that
there is no flight safety benefit derived from viewing these videos
simply from the video itself.
Sure, any moron can comment on the video. That doesn't take any brains
at all; but it's just conjecture, even if it's from an "expert" like me!
So don't try and push this "all you had to do was comment" thing at me
pal, I know better, and I hope some of the rest of the pilots around
here know better as well.
Crash video put up on a public web site is simply crash video. You can
spout off all day long about getting "experts" to comment for safety
reasons, but all that is from a professional viewpoint is an excuse for
showing the videos.
You "invited" me to join you on your web site and I declined for several
reasons. The above are the professional reasons. The personal reason was
because I realized your "invitation" to me was simply a "put up or shut
up" scenario, and I don't respond to that to begin with. Then, when I
discovered you had the words COOL and ENJOY on the site, your
"invitation" became the ultimate insult! No ligitimate person even
remotely involved in flight safety issues would even consider being
involved on a site like yours. If you doubt this, go find another
ligitimate safety expert who will accept your "offer" to comment on
crash video showing people dying on the same page as the words COOL and
ENJOY; then come back and let us now who he or she is. I'd like to meet
that person, and I'm betting there are others on this group who would
like to meet them too.


Just be advised that you and I are not on friendly terms any longer.

I'll still be here, and there will still be a cold one waiting for you
whenever you come to Oshkosh or Iowa City -- but not till after
they've
adjusted your meds.

No thank you. I have no control over who I have to deal with on Usenet,
but I can still pick with whom I want to share a drink. People who show
crash video on commercial hotel websites under the heading COOL and
ENJOY trying to involve my expertise to help sell hotel rooms I don't
drink with.
In closing, I have an invitation for you in front of this entire group.
If you're all that enamoured with my expertise as a flight safety
expert, and you have all this unbounded respect for my opinion on the
issue that caused you to invite me on your crash page with you; and have
so stated this high regard for my opinion on this newsgroup ; then after
what I've told you in this post about the uselessness of viewing crash
video on a public web page for safety reasons, let me now suggest that
you remove all crash video from your web site nor that you know it has
so little value in the flight safety context.
As they say in chess......CHECK!!!!
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

Now, perhaps you can see why people in the flight safety business frown
on people like you pushing the flight safety issue as the excuse for
showing crash video on a public web site. The plain simple truth is that
there is no flight safety benefit derived from viewing these videos
simply from the video itself.

First of all, I never claimed that my website had ANYTHING to do with
"flight safety" -- although I offered you the chance to help change that.

Putting that aside for the moment, let's see if I've got your new story
straight.

1. You started this thread by commenting that you "detest" people who show
aviation accident videos on the internet, because the videos have no
connection to flight safety.

2. You went on to say that you were fine with these videos, IF they were
presented in the context of flight safety. In other words, with proper
commentary.

3. You describe yourself as a "flight safety expert" -- but freely admit
that you're not "qualified" to intelligently comment on ANY of the videos.
How is this possible? The videos on our website depict some of the most
famous air disasters in recorded history -- yet you, an avowed "expert" in
the field, with 50 years of experience, cannot comment?

4. NOW you're stating that there can be NO flight safety benefit derived
from viewing these videos on-line, anywhere, ever?

Pardon me, but your slip is showing.

Crash video put up on a public web site is simply crash video. You can
spout off all day long about getting "experts" to comment for safety
reasons, but all that is from a professional viewpoint is an excuse for
showing the videos.

I had no intention of getting any "experts" to comment on any videos, until
you made your entry into this thread. The videos are on the site because
(a) I find them to be fascinating, and (b) they are extremely popular.

Whether you -- or any other "flight safety expert" comments on any of the
videos is of no consequence. I thought adding commentary was an idea with
some merit, as long as you and I happened to be discussing the issue --
nothing more, nothing less.

You "invited" me to join you on your web site and I declined for several
reasons. The above are the professional reasons. The personal reason was
because I realized your "invitation" to me was simply a "put up or shut
up" scenario, and I don't respond to that to begin with.

Doncha just hate that when someone calls your bluff? You were given the
opportunity to prove to the world (or, at least, this little worldwide
newsgroup) that you were indeed some sort of a "flight safety expert." You
had a perfect opportunity to correct what you had announced was a horrible
injustice, by helping to change our video page into a truly useful (rather
than just mildly interesting) web page -- but, as expected, you instead have
come up with a dozen bogus reasons why you can't do it.

Then, when THAT bluff was called, you went off on wild, raging tantrums,
simply to divert attention away from the fact that you really have no
interest in changing ANYTHING -- you just want to sit on the sidelines, and
throw stones.

Put up or shut up, indeed. Your chance has come, and -- thankfully -- gone.

In closing, I have an invitation for you in front of this entire group.
If you're all that enamoured with my expertise as a flight safety
expert, and you have all this unbounded respect for my opinion on the
issue that caused you to invite me on your crash page with you; and have
so stated this high regard for my opinion on this newsgroup ; then after
what I've told you in this post about the uselessness of viewing crash
video on a public web page for safety reasons, let me now suggest that
you remove all crash video from your web site nor that you know it has
so little value in the flight safety context.

My respect, admiration, and honor were sadly and clearly misplaced. After
reading your diatribes of the last several days, I can only thank God that
you declined my invitation.

As I've already stated, I will be making some minor changes to the wording
on the page, as my time permits.

As they say in chess......CHECK!!!!

Have a nice life, Dudley.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Now, perhaps you can see why people in the flight safety business
frown
on people like you pushing the flight safety issue as the excuse for
showing crash video on a public web site. The plain simple truth is
that
there is no flight safety benefit derived from viewing these videos
simply from the video itself.

First of all, I never claimed that my website had ANYTHING to do with
"flight safety" -- although I offered you the chance to help change
that.

You began "pushing" the flight safety issue when you attempted to
involve me.

Putting that aside for the moment, let's see if I've got your new
story
straight.

1. You started this thread by commenting that you "detest" people who
show
aviation accident videos on the internet, because the videos have no
connection to flight safety.


2. You went on to say that you were fine with these videos, IF they
were
presented in the context of flight safety. In other words, with
proper
commentary.

Yes. Crash videos are useful, but NOT on the net outside the flight
safety context. I wasn't referring to web site videos when I said this.

3. You describe yourself as a "flight safety expert" -- but freely
admit
that you're not "qualified" to intelligently comment on ANY of the
videos.
How is this possible?

Actually, it's YOU who have described me as a flight safety expert. If
my involvement with flight safety issues makes me an "expert" so be it.

The videos on our website depict some of the most
famous air disasters in recorded history -- yet you, an avowed
"expert" in
the field, with 50 years of experience, cannot comment?

Don't wish to comment. Big difference! Don't like the venue.

4. NOW you're stating that there can be NO flight safety benefit
derived
from viewing these videos on-line, anywhere, ever?

Exactly. Unsubstantiated conjecture is the enemy of flight safety, and
the tool for web sites wishing to exploit carnage for the interest
value.

Pardon me, but your slip is showing.

I don't wear a slip.

Crash video put up on a public web site is simply crash video. You
can
spout off all day long about getting "experts" to comment for safety
reasons, but all that is from a professional viewpoint is an excuse
for
showing the videos.

I had no intention of getting any "experts" to comment on any videos,
until
you made your entry into this thread.

Obviously! You just put them out there for the interest value which is
what I've been saying all along isn't it?


The videos are on the site because
(a) I find them to be fascinating, and (b) they are extremely popular.

Obviously!

Whether you -- or any other "flight safety expert" comments on any of
the
videos is of no consequence.

Then why invite me on the site to comment?


I thought adding commentary was an idea with
some merit, as long as you and I happened to be discussing the
issue --
nothing more, nothing less.

No you didn't. You and I had already established our vast differences of
opinion about sites showing crash video for the interest factor. Your
"invitation" was nothing more that a weak attempt at a "put up or shut
up" routine and it didn't work.


You "invited" me to join you on your web site and I declined for
several
reasons. The above are the professional reasons. The personal reason
was
because I realized your "invitation" to me was simply a "put up or
shut
up" scenario, and I don't respond to that to begin with.

Doncha just hate that when someone calls your bluff? You were given
the
opportunity to prove to the world (or, at least, this little worldwide
newsgroup) that you were indeed some sort of a "flight safety expert."

Good God; you REALLY don't know me do you? I have nothing to "prove" to
anyone, least of all on this newsgroup :-)

You
had a perfect opportunity to correct what you had announced was a
horrible
injustice, by helping to change our video page into a truly useful
(rather
than just mildly interesting) web page -- but, as expected, you
instead have
come up with a dozen bogus reasons why you can't do it.

Take out the term "bogus" and you have the dozen ligitimate reasons I
don't wish to be a part of your site.

Then, when THAT bluff was called, you went off on wild, raging
tantrums,
simply to divert attention away from the fact that you really have no
interest in changing ANYTHING -- you just want to sit on the
sidelines, and
throw stones.

Nope. I just lost my temper. People do that from time to time you know.
They're human.
I've already explained that unassociated comment by anyone, me, or
anyone else not involved with a specific incident is just useless
conjecture. That is obvious to all who are involved in flight safety and
I won't state it again here.

Put up or shut up, indeed. Your chance has come, and -- thankfully --
gone.

Yes, I hope we can end this and go our separate ways now.

In closing, I have an invitation for you in front of this entire
group.
If you're all that enamoured with my expertise as a flight safety
expert, and you have all this unbounded respect for my opinion on the
issue that caused you to invite me on your crash page with you; and
have
so stated this high regard for my opinion on this newsgroup ; then
after
what I've told you in this post about the uselessness of viewing
crash
video on a public web page for safety reasons, let me now suggest
that
you remove all crash video from your web site nor that you know it
has
so little value in the flight safety context.

My respect, admiration, and honor were sadly and clearly misplaced.
After
reading your diatribes of the last several days, I can only thank God
that
you declined my invitation.

People should be close to God, that's true.

As I've already stated, I will be making some minor changes to the
wording
on the page, as my time permits.

Excellent idea!

As they say in chess......CHECK!!!!

Have a nice life, Dudley.

I already have. Full rich career, retired; fine home; wonderful family;
financial security; active in my field of expertise all around the
world; the whole nine yards :-)
Thank you for the kind thought anyway .
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship