Crash Videos

"SelwayKid" wrote in message
om...
I don't claim to be a
co-author of any noteworthy publications that weigh 7 pounds and
relate to flight safety.

Just a slight correction here, and the rest of the post is fine.

"Zero Error Margin" is a stand alone volume completely written by Gen
Des Barker of the SAAF. Gen Barker gathered together an international
team of professional air show demonstration pilots who contributed their
time and energy to the project at no charge.
The book contains probably the world's most comprehensive data base on
air show related accidents ranging from 1952 to the present. All major
and even minor accidents were covered complete with full reports, and
reviews from professional demonstration pilots who comment on how these
accidents might have been prevented.
Although my comments appear throughout the book on various subjects
relating to airshow demonstration flight safety, demonstration pilot
physical and mental conditioning, and misc other comment, my main
contribution was a comprehensive report on low altitude vertical
recoveries in vintage prop fighters which appears in the chapter "Flying
the Demonstration". This report was also carried in Aeroplane Monthly
Feb issue 2004 in a feature article by Gen Barker "Precision Decision"
I was simply a small part of a world wide team invited to take part in
this project.
I was NOT the co-author of the book.
Returning you now to your discussion.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

My problem with this thread has nothing to do with whether watching
accident videos makes us safer pilots - it often does (I have watched
several of Scott Gardiners at Arlington) and everything to do with the
intent of the owner of the site.
And it seems to me that he doesn't care about contributing to pilot
safety - his interest is in filming aviation accidents, and I truly
believe that when he leaves an airshow where there wasn't an
accident/incident, he feels cheated.
It kind of reminds me of a few years ago when I was in Lahore, and I was
approached by 2 individuals, one carrying a mongoose and one carrying a
cobra who wanted me to pay them 200 rupees to watch a private fight to
the death between the snake and the mongoose.
I told them I would pay them 1000 rupees to watch them fight to the
death instead. They couldn't understand my point - this guy wouldn't
either.
I have to ask why he didn't collect video of
spectacular/unusual/daring/precision airshow performances.
No - just crashes. And his posting on rec. aviation.piloting I can
accept. But his posting on rec.aviation.student is totally innapropriate
and could never be construed as constructive.

But then we have to consider where we are.
Usernet?
And more important - we have to ask who the hell is this guy?
Did any of you ever hear of him before this post?
I sure as hell didn't.

Is this whole thing just one more spam?
Let's face it - his site doesn't even bloody work!
I went to look, and give him the benefit of the doubt, and could only go
between his stupid helicopter (They were trying to hit him but missed -
that's why they crashed - can't he see that) and his links that bore no
relevance to the topic.
Where are the 100 videos? I sure as hell can't find them.
I agree with previous posters - let's move on - this creep surely ain't
worth falling out over

Tony
--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

tony roberts wrote in message news:nospam-F8B576.22245708092004@shawnews...

My problem with this thread has nothing to do with whether watching
accident videos makes us safer pilots - it often does (I have watched
several of Scott Gardiners at Arlington) and everything to do with the
intent of the owner of the site.

When I went to get my float rating, the first thing the instructor did
was show me film shot for the opening scene of a movie ("Mother Lode"
IIRC) that features a Beaver landing a little too nose-low and doing
somersaults. It was supposed to just land but it crashed instead
(nobody killed) and they decided to work it into the story.

safety - his interest is in filming aviation accidents, and I truly
believe that when he leaves an airshow where there wasn't an
accident/incident, he feels cheated.

I kind of doubt that... I think people on average enjoy and are
stimulated by the existence of danger, but when an actual accident
occurs, the "oh my God I hope they're OK" response takes over.

It kind of reminds me of a few years ago when I was in Lahore, and I was
approached by 2 individuals, one carrying a mongoose and one carrying a
cobra who wanted me to pay them 200 rupees to watch a private fight to
the death between the snake and the mongoose.

I've been to the bullfights in Spain- something like a combination
between opera, the Mass, and a visit to the butcher shop. There is
some redeeming culture value and supposedly all the beef gets donated
to charities.


Cheers,
-cwk.

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message link.net...
"SelwayKid" wrote in message
om...
I don't claim to be a
co-author of any noteworthy publications that weigh 7 pounds and
relate to flight safety.

Just a slight correction here, and the rest of the post is fine.

Well crap....my award winning response got dumped by my server.
Dudley, I am overwhelmed that you approve of the rest of my post. Fact
is, I could care less if you approve or not. While I admire much of
what you have done, it smacks of elitism and low tolerance for anyone
who doesn't agree with you. As for your talents and experience doing
low level manuevers, can you state how many hours you have flying at
or below 200'agl? I can show a logbook that indicates about 12,000
hours of it in ag work crop dusting. I know at least two ag pilots who
went into the airshow circuit, Wayne Handley and Sean Tucker. Wayne is
a good friend of mine and we've had ample opportunity to discuss the
similarities of aerobatics to ag work and his airshow routines.
All your discussion of what YOU thought of a particular accident may
differ radically from what I see or perceived. From that point on its
discussion or argument.
In the years I have read your posts, and the email arguments we have
had, I maintain you are dazzled by your own brilliance that is only
second to mine. I try to use my stupid mistakes to help others learn
from them while you seem to pontificate and its either your way or the
highway/runway??? ggg
Geeeezzz, I guess thats why I sign off as..
Ol Shy & Bashful

"Zero Error Margin" is a stand alone volume completely written by Gen
Des Barker of the SAAF. Gen Barker gathered together an international
team of professional air show demonstration pilots who contributed their
time and energy to the project at no charge.
The book contains probably the world's most comprehensive data base on
air show related accidents ranging from 1952 to the present. All major
and even minor accidents were covered complete with full reports, and
reviews from professional demonstration pilots who comment on how these
accidents might have been prevented.
Although my comments appear throughout the book on various subjects
relating to airshow demonstration flight safety, demonstration pilot
physical and mental conditioning, and misc other comment, my main
contribution was a comprehensive report on low altitude vertical
recoveries in vintage prop fighters which appears in the chapter "Flying
the Demonstration". This report was also carried in Aeroplane Monthly
Feb issue 2004 in a feature article by Gen Barker "Precision Decision"
I was simply a small part of a world wide team invited to take part in
this project.
I was NOT the co-author of the book.
Returning you now to your discussion.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship

"SelwayKid" wrote in message
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All your discussion of what YOU thought of a particular accident may
differ radically from what I see or perceived. From that point on its
discussion or argument.

I'm sorry to correct you once more, but the above comment could not in
any way relate to me at all.
The entire gist of what I've been saying, (when I wasn't losing my
temper that is), about accident comment is that it's virtually useless
unless accompanied by expert investigative quality opinion from someone
intimately familiar
with a specific crash. It's for that reason I DECLINED comment, and in
fact, very rarely get involved in accident discussion about accidents
that I'm not
completely familiar with.
Actually, my thoughts on this would be somewhat compatible with yours.

About your experience comments;
It's good to have pilots as experienced as you are on Usenet.
It will be nice if you can use this experience to comment on issues
where you
have expertise. I'm sure your comment will be welcomed on Usenet as the
quality of your information is assessed over time as mine has been
assessed over time.
All the best to you,

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship